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Other Countries / Re: From single parent to marring Tajuddin Pir from Lahore - a barrister
« on: Wednesday 18 May 22 19:33 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much for all your help I did have some of the newspaper articles but never thought to look up Gwen Pir and there she was - I thought I would need death certificate to prove but I think the name gives it to me. I notice the post thank you which showed her family on line and am not sure by describing her as Gwyn (mummy) that means she had other children. It is so interesting to find her but my friend Nick Fayers says it is bitter sweet as his grandfather really was a family man and was upset that he lost contact with his mother and to find out he may of had siblings he would have loved that. However Nick says he is proud of what his Great Grandmother achieved and also thank you for making his father happy to have found his grandmother who he never new. I will speak to them but I may be brave enough to contact the PIR family but they may never have known Gwendoline's background and that may upset them. I will ponder on it. So thanks again for all your help much appreciated. Debs

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Other Countries / Re: From single parent to marring Tajuddin Pir from Lahore - a barrister
« on: Wednesday 18 May 22 01:11 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Tuesday 17 May 22 23:15 BST (UK)
A female G Pir aged 29 arrived London 3.6.1921 from Bombay1921

Outward - to Bombay  3.3.1922 - Mrs Gwendoline Pir aged 29- address 79 Gloucester St SW2.
Saw the going back but not the too England. No idea how she met her husband he was wealthy muslim india and she was a poor illegetimate young girl and single mother. Her grandson thinks she married between 1918 and 1922 but knows nothing else except for the letter his father wrote with her husbands name on it. Just want proof that the news paper articles from Indian was of Gwendoline. Dont know how to get death or bith information from lahore thanks

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Other Countries / Re: From single parent to marring Tajuddin Pir from Lahore - a barrister
« on: Wednesday 18 May 22 01:07 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Tuesday 17 May 22 22:44 BST (UK)
The 1911 entry - if it's her - shows her b 1891 Northants but there is no birth under that name in Northants 

A Gwendolen Lyndon Houghton Fayers was baptised 16.4.1893 to single mother Frances Elizabeth Fayers in Northants.  There is a Fanny Fayers death Dec qtr 1901 aged 41
Yes that is her she was registered under the name Houghton. Her mother had 6 children by 4 different fathers and never married any of them. Her maiden name was Fanny Downing

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Other Countries / From single parent to marring Tajuddin Pir from Lahore - a barrister
« on: Tuesday 17 May 22 20:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi

Very unusual story and not sure where to go next in our quest. A Gwendoline Fayers was a single mother from Northampton who moved to Leamington Spa. She had one son in 1911 in a wayward mothers home in Marylebone and all that her Grandson knows about her is that she married a barrister in law called Tajuddin Pir or Pir Tajuddin from Lahore, I can not find a marriage in Britain, though her husband was living in England at the start of the 1st Word War. Her Grandson has in his possession a letter written by his father trying to trace his mother through the British Embassy in India - his father last heard from his mother in 1924 when she wrote from Lahore. I found in British Indian newspapers, Civil & Military Gazette, Tajuddun Pir barrister in law and a Mrs Pir who was described as a European Lady. If it was Gwendoline she was managing an Orphanage in Lahore and was still alive in 1959. Does anyone know where I can go to find deaths, marriages, births that may not be registered with British overseas - we would love to know if this was Gwendoline and if so did she have other children. Her husband had at least 1 daughter which I found in an article Mrs Razia Attaullah Khan. There maybe other Indian Newspaper that have biographies that I can not trace. I did find a migration record for a Gwendoline Pir about the right age off to India via Sydney in 1923. Any help much appreciated.

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Armed Forces / Secretary to General in Genova World War 2
« on: Saturday 22 January 22 15:32 GMT (UK)  »
Have a strange ask, I am doing some research on a Glaswegian Family of Irish Descent the Fitzpatrick, and my good friends mother is convinced her mother Catherine Fitzpatrick worked as a secretary to a General in Genova in World War 2 which was a front for being a spy. She was so convinced that on her marriage certificate she put mother's occupation as spy (Scottish Certificate), much to her distress she had to take that off. However the bit about being a secretary to a General could have been true.

Does anyone know where I can look up females in World War 2 and their occupation or is this information still closed due to data protection. My friends grandmother died before she was born and so a lot of the facts have been lost. Thanks

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Caernarvonshire / Wedding of Phyllis Hazeldon Caernarvon 1939
« on: Saturday 16 May 15 16:08 BST (UK)  »
Please could anyone tell me if there any transcriptions of later records of Caernarvon. I am looking for a marriage of a Phyllis M Hazeldon to a William Jones in 1939 Caernarvon. Phyllis is a woman of mystery she left her husband before 1945 and the family of a later relationship do not know anything about her. I manage to trace this marriage through the registration of one of her children in Birmingham.

Thank you

Debbie


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Lanarkshire / Re: Margaret Ann Kelly 1902 Glasgow who was her parents?
« on: Monday 04 August 14 23:07 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: MonicaL on Monday 04 August 14 22:40 BST (UK)
Debs, have you tried death searches for Margaret Ann's mother?

There is only one death showing (just from general SP searches) for a Margaret Ann Kelly/Cameron. She was born c. 1876, died post 1922 in the Glasgow area.

Monica

Added...Althought this might be the one married to Archibald that you found earlier, I know realise.

The one married to Archibald didn't die until 1952 I have her death certificate - On Margaret Ann marriage she doesn't state her mother is dead though. Got 5 more credits left and that is me for a while can not spend anymore for tonight :)

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Lanarkshire / Re: Margaret Ann Kelly 1902 Glasgow who was her parents?
« on: Monday 04 August 14 22:32 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: MonicaL on Monday 04 August 14 22:19 BST (UK)
We all hate brick walls, Debs, don't we  :'(

How kind (obsessed  :P  ;)) of you to try to help here!  You are not in Scotland are you? This period that you are in is you hard to research online as you are finding. Being in Scotland and able to visit a main genealogy centre would let you view more recent records economically.

Monica

Monica I am actually living on the Western Isles in Scotland which is really hard to do research from - very poor broadband speeds and no access to records except the local ones. What upsets me is the cost of looking up the records on-line in scotland there appears to be no subscription service which I prefer :)

Debs

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Lanarkshire / Re: Margaret Ann Kelly 1902 Glasgow who was her parents?
« on: Monday 04 August 14 22:30 BST (UK)  »
I have just found a death of a Robert Kelly in 1907 in Hutchestown occupation Van Driver (similar to Carter) who was married to an Agnes Cameron! Well this time the male seems correct but the Margaret has now been substituted for Agnes. But just found a marriage of a Robert Kelly to an Agnes Cameron in 1907 Grrrr! Thought I was there for a minute!

On the 1911 census there is a Margaret Kelly widow Hutchestown age 31 with 4 children; John age 10, Margaret age 9 and Dennis age 7. I wonder if Margaret was also known as Agnes and that although they didn't marry until 1907 they may have had children before then..... Think further nosing around and a few more pennies!

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