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« on: Thursday 04 April 24 08:10 BST (UK) »
Apologies, i thought i said thanks in the op. I was hoping it would be Mannerley but could be Mannor- nothing is straightforward
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Question mark?
« on: Wednesday 03 April 24 19:30 BST (UK) »OkI,ve seen lots of entries for Shifnal but dont remember any ref to the Manor.
A brief browse of the register produced one on image 95 (of 136), 3 lines up from the bottom ...
Richard ye Son of Richard Bate de Shiffnll mannor & Anne his wife was born June ye 14th & bapt: June 21st 1725.
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« on: Wednesday 03 April 24 14:53 BST (UK) »As has been suggested above, it is simply an -er or -or suspension at the end of the word. Mannerly would not normally be written like that.I,ve seen lots of entries for Shifnal but dont remember any ref to the Manor. Shifnal records are very good compared to some, it usually gives the village and sometimes the occupation
I’m sure bbart has the answer (reply #10):I believe it is a place name, and looking at a modern map, just south there is a "Manor"; perhaps the spelling changed over time?
In the 1720s, she would probably have been living as a tenant in one of the properties owned by Shifnal Manor.
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« on: Wednesday 03 April 24 13:47 BST (UK) »New yr on March 25th? I thought the entry was a mistake! Thats the marriage i was looking at too, they had 2 children later i believeCould well be, its very close to the border so to speak. Mannerley is the only thing that fits really. Pretty sure John was born in Dec 1720 and his parents married in Jan 1721 but still called "base" poor lad
I don't know Shifnal and its surrounding area, so can't comment on whether Manner or Mannerley is more likely**. However, on this page in the register I see that in nearly all cases this mark is used as an abbreviation for '-er' (farmer, weaver, December etc). In the bottom two entries on the page it comes after 'Jan' and can only mean January.
Remember that New Year's Day then was 25 March, so December 1721 was immediately followed by January 1721. According to the register John was born on 27 Dec 1721, and baptised on 1 Jan 1721, but in the modern calendar that would be 1 Jan 1722. To avoid confusion the conventional way to write it now is 1721/22.
**Added:
If the marriage is the one on 15 Jan 1721/22 (William Marting and Sarah Ellis), then they are both said to be 'of this parish'.
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« on: Wednesday 03 April 24 10:52 BST (UK) »It may well mean that she was from Mannerly but was having the child baptised in Shifnal. Maybe something to do with the child's illegitimacyCould well be, its very close to the border so to speak. Mannerley is the only thing that fits really. Pretty sure John was born in Dec 1720 and his parents married in Jan 1721 but still called "base" poor lad
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« on: Wednesday 03 April 24 09:42 BST (UK) »I'm glad somebody has brains - I was puzzling over the scribble for ages trying to find a similar image.I wouldnt go that far Rena! Hope you well Shrop63
So "congratulations all round".
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« on: Wednesday 03 April 24 09:41 BST (UK) »There was/is a place called Mannerley Lane which might help a lot with my research, but i thought Mannerley always came under Wellington parish, not ShifnalIs it the final r in an abbreviated word? In the way that minister, for example, is often abbreviated to minr.
i believe so... the attached clip is from the same page of baptisms of Shifnal, Shropshire.
The writer always uses it for female children: daughtE, and most of the time for December: DecE.
I believe it is a place name, and looking at a modern map, just south there is a "Manor"; perhaps the spelling changed over time?
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« on: Tuesday 02 April 24 17:36 BST (UK) »I know file too bigcontent://media/external/downloads/1000003780
Doesn't work.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Question mark?
« on: Tuesday 02 April 24 16:58 BST (UK) »
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