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Lancashire / Re: Litherland and Menzies - a suffragette puzzle
« on: Wednesday 24 October 18 10:36 BST (UK)  »
I know...I know!   I have just spotted it too! Aaaaargh!!!!!
Sorry...senior moment or something!!
Suzie

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Lancashire / Litherland and Menzies - a suffragette puzzle
« on: Wednesday 24 October 18 10:01 BST (UK)  »
I am doing some family history research for a friend; I have almost completed the project but for one outstanding query concerning a possible suffragette.

Adelaide Harriet LITHERLAND.  Born 4 Apr 1866 in Hulme, Manchester.
Married David MENZIES in 1910 in Chorlton. Their address then was 15 Fenwick Street, Hulme.
In 1911 they were living at 29 Caythorpe Street, Moss Side, Manchester and David Menzies was an engineer’s pattern maker. Two sons, Harold and Athol, were born 1911 and 1913 in Chorlton, and Allan was born 1925 in Edinburgh.
 
Family gossip had it that Adelaide was a suffragette. I have trawled various websites but her name never appears – either as LITHERLAND or MENZIES.
 
The only other fact which lends some credibility to the story is that when husband David died in 1948 in Edinburgh, his occupation was noted on his death certificate as retired political organiser! (Adelaide also died in Edinburgh in 1959.)

Adelaide and her husband were definitely in the right place at the right time for her to have been involved in the movement as the Pankhurst family were in that area too.  I did contact The Pankhurst Museum in Nelson Street, but they were unable to help me and just referred me to their Facebook and Twitter pages.

Can anyone advise on where any other helpful records may be?  Is there anywhere else in Manchester where there might be relevant documents on Adelaide, or her husband?

Living in Orkney, my only real resources are online. I would love to be able to prove – or disprove – this family story for the 80-year-old lady for whom I am doing this research.

Regards
Suzie

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Marriage of George MENZIES and Margaret THOMSON
« on: Friday 28 September 18 15:55 BST (UK)  »
Gadget...we've spoken before I think.
I think you may be right...perhaps the records never survived or are missing somehow...and it is pre-1855 by a long way so there we are. I've tried every possibility in searching SP to no avail.

Thank you for the link previously mentioned. Have bookmarked it and will browse later.
Many thanks.
Suzie

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Marriage of George MENZIES and Margaret THOMSON
« on: Friday 28 September 18 13:05 BST (UK)  »
Dave...thank you for that idea.
Not thought of Kirk Sessions. I'll investigate further.
Thanks for the tip.
Suzie

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Dumfriesshire / Marriage of George MENZIES and Margaret THOMSON
« on: Friday 28 September 18 10:55 BST (UK)  »
Try as I might, I cannot find this marriage!  It was probably between 1817 and 1820. I've searched SP using single surnames, both surnames, one surname and one first name of the other and vice versa, I've tried different variants and spelling. I searched Dumfriesshire alone, Kirkcudbrightshire alone and all counties. I've even looked in England, just across the border.
Why is he not there??? Am hoping someone might have some ideas.

George Menzies was born about 1791. I did find a possible baptism of 1787 at Durrisdeer on 24 Aug 1787 but am unsure of that at the moment.

Margaret Thomson was born 1799 in Glencairn, daughter of William Thomson and Jane Patterson who were named as her parents on her death certificate in 1878.
She died at 67 Glasgow Street, Maxwelltown, death registered in Troqueer.

The death certificate says...Margaret Menzies, widow of George Menzies, foreman iron founder...which was his occupation.

They had 10 children staring with David b 24 Aug 1819 up to Elizabeth born 16 Sep 1841.  Their birth and baptism dates were found on SP and both parents were named. Two of the sons who married named their parents as George Menzies, iron moulder and Margaret Menzies MS Thomson on their marriage certificates..

George and Margaret are at Glasgow West Street, Troqueer in 1841 with 7 children; thereafter, George did not appear with Margaret on any subsequent censuses so must have died between 1841 and 1851. Can't find his death either...which might have helped! The only one vague one was a George Menzies who died in Glasgow aged 57, a joiner. That's all it said on the OPR so not much to go on.

If anyone has any ideas...I'd love to hear them.
I did wonder if the Troqueer PRs were still available or whether they have been lost or something. These things did happen.

Suzie

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Ross & Cromarty / Re: Murdoch (Murdo) Macleod and Christina (Christy) Campbell
« on: Thursday 21 June 18 10:48 BST (UK)  »
Forfarian…..Many thanks....I'll check that out.
At present I am trawling the Hebridean Connections website; lots of connections.
Suzie

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Ross & Cromarty / Re: Murdoch (Murdo) Macleod and Christina (Christy) Campbell
« on: Thursday 21 June 18 09:27 BST (UK)  »
Forfarian...Monica...Isobel...

Thank you for your emails of yesterday evening. A lot to think about, investigate, peruse etc, but it seems we are all agreed that the Murdo & Christina Macleod I have are NOT the parents of the Donald who married Margaret NICOL.  So it's back to square one in a way, however, you have given me a lot to go on and I thank you all very much.  It will take me a few days to sort this out but I'll be back in touch....
Suzie

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Ross & Cromarty / Re: Murdoch (Murdo) Macleod and Christina (Christy) Campbell
« on: Wednesday 20 June 18 19:29 BST (UK)  »
Forfarian…There was a William aged 8 on the 1851 with Murdo 43 farmer and Christina 37 plus Donald 10 and a John 5. I have just looked through SP births...1842-1861 and there is only one in Harris to an Alexander Macleod. No mother's name!!!

Why are things never easy???

I have had enough today; can't think straight anymore.
Suzie

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Ross & Cromarty / Re: Murdoch (Murdo) Macleod and Christina (Christy) Campbell
« on: Wednesday 20 June 18 18:45 BST (UK)  »
I am beginning to think that there are 2 Donald Macleods;
one who was son of Murdo & Christina Campbell, born 1853...
...and another born about 1838/39, to parents of Murdo Macleod and Marshall Campbell.

I really hope that's NOT the case as we have all worked hard to resolve Murdo Macleod and Christina Campbell, their census sightings, as far as we've got, and their marriage and death certificates.

Suzie

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