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Hi Ken

There were 2 cottages in the park at Middleton Road end opposite the tram terminus (as you walk towards the lake) in the trees on the left at the bottom of the hill My friend lived there and it had quite large rooms and a huge Victorian fireplace. My friends father was a Park Keeper. Hope that helps.

Margaret

Wow thank you so much. I'll see what I can find from that record.

Margaret

Looking at the National Archives seaman's records throws up 2 records for John Boyd in Manchester one born 23rd September 1891 and the other also on Ancestry for 22nd May 1891 so the plot thickens. Someone was lying but who? Or is that the reason the record states he made a false statement.  Did he give the wrong date of birth,  first his correct one and then the made up one.

It's so frustrating that there are pages missing from his records.

There's a John Hall Boyd born in the 2nd quarter 1891 in Newcastle upon Tyne but he's still there in 1939 so I eliminated him.

I looked at all birth's for John Boyd between 1888 and 1894 and eliminated them one by one and still ended up with the one in Manchester with parents John and Sarah Elizabeth.

Yes it was the same couple.

The reason I think they forgot to register it was that the same thing happened to my grandmother, her father forgot to register her birth and when he remembered he gave November 2nd as the day she was born so it fit in with the 42 day requirement. She actually never knew what date she was born as she was one of 14.

I somehow don't think that buying the birth certificate will give his true birth date as it would have to fit in with the required registration date in the 4th quarter and not the 2nd or 3rd.

Margaret