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Cambridgeshire / Ely Holy Trinity Marriages Location
« on: Thursday 06 July 23 15:27 BST (UK)  »
Getting a chance to visit Ely this weekend where a large portion of my family lived from at least the early 18th century. Just checking that all the marriages that say took place in Holy Trinity would have actually taken place in the Lady chapel? Surely not in the main cathedral building. Interested in seeing the building my ancestors would have known.

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Armed Forces / Re: Life in an Indian Cantonment - What was it like?
« on: Sunday 17 July 22 14:08 BST (UK)  »
A slightly later timescale, but 'Old Soldier Sahib' by Frank Richards, paints a vivid picture of army life in India, in the first decade of the 20th century.
The author served as a Private in the Royal Welch Fusiliers, and gives a good unvarnished account.
Plenty copies available online.

Yes, I think I've seen that mentioned before. I'll find a copy.

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Armed Forces / Re: Life in an Indian Cantonment - What was it like?
« on: Sunday 17 July 22 14:07 BST (UK)  »
I assume you are mostly interested in the soldiers rather than their families. There are dozens of books which detail the personal accounts of soldiers who served in India in the late nineteenth century, but for a broader picture you might be better starting with some of the twentieth and twentyfirst century academic works on the subject as they tend to draw on sources over a wider geographical area and time span than the personal anecdotes and biographies. An example of the former might be From Recruit to Staff Sergeant by NW Bancroft (1885 Calcutta) republished by Ian Henry Publications in 1979. Many of the first hand accounts were written by officers, and fairly senior ones at that, so they may lack the soldier's point of view. For an excellent example of the second type, an academic study of the period, try Sahib by the late Richard Holmes (of Military Rides fame). His book has a comprehensive bibliography and detailed notes on sources which should allow you to follow up on anything which you find relevant.
And don't forget the museum and regimental association  for the successors to the 2nd Dragoon Guards. They may well be able to provide other unpublished accounts of the life of  a trooper at that time. There is also a Facebook group.

The Queen's Bays' first stay in India (1857 - 1875) would have been much busier than their second posting there 1885 - 1894. You don't mention your ancestor's dates but it is quite likely that he wouldn't have been with his regiment for both those deployments to India.

Thanks for that. He served during the second posting and had, I presume, an extremely quiet time of it. That's what got me thinking about just what his life consisted of. I know that it was, generally, discouraged for soldiers to spend any time outside of the cantonment so it must have been seven years of pretty dull routine. Perhaps that's why he spent so much time in the hospital!  :)

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Armed Forces / Life in an Indian Cantonment - What was it like?
« on: Saturday 16 July 22 11:57 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone provide any suggestions for reading or actual info about a soldier's daily life in a British army Indian Cantonment. An ancestor of mine served for seven years as a 2nd Dragoon Guard in the Punjab in the late 19th century and while his service record is fascinating I find I'm desperate to discover what he did for seven years (beyond periods spent in hospital with STDs!) moving around from place to place. I presume, being a cavalry man, that they had horses to look after. Did these soldiers go out on patrol on horseback? Any help, no matter how anecdotal, would be valuable.

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The Common Room / Re: Social Status Late Regency/Early Victorian
« on: Thursday 02 December 21 16:51 GMT (UK)  »
The term clerk covers a multitude of sins. In the 20th century clerk was used in railway and local government terminology to cover a variety of administrative roles below management grades.

A railway clerk at Euston could well have worked on commercial freight. In the days before HGVs, goods would be carried to major stations then transported on from there. He could well have switched between a clerical role in the railway freight offices to one with an onward carrier.

That's a good, and interesting, thought. I'm glad you suggested it.

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The Common Room / Re: Social Status Late Regency/Early Victorian
« on: Thursday 02 December 21 16:11 GMT (UK)  »
Thread necromancy here but this subject still consumes me. It's recently been rekindled and I've been obsessed with it these past few days. I wish I could pin my clerk down as well. I assembled a list of his stated occupations from census, marriage and baptism records and this is what resulted:
1840 Book Keeper
1844 Delivery Clerk
1846 Carriers Clerk
1849 Public Clerk
1851 Railway Clerk
1857 Carriers foreman
1859 Railway Clerk
1861 Public Clerk
1871 Commercial clerk
Some of these are compatible with each other but some aren't and it has me tearing my hair out at times. I just want to know everything about this man's life and I simply cannot. I've come to the conclusion, based on advice from the NRM, that he worked for the LNWR based at Euston station from 1850-1860 ISH but that Carriers Foreman in 1857 is a bit of a curveball. I can reconcile it if I squint hard enough. I just really wanted a space to offload my thoughts.

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Armed Forces / Re: Researching Napoleonic Soldiers
« on: Saturday 19 June 21 11:56 BST (UK)  »
Have you read "The Letters of Private Wheeler" ? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Letters-Private-Wheeler-1809-1828/dp/0900075589
I haven't but I will be soon! That looks like a perfect fit for me. I must admit to finding my 4X G Uncle a little frustrating as by and large the 1st 31st avoided any kind of military engagement whatsoever. They were involved in a few minor skirmishes but took no part in the Peninsula campaign or Waterloo. Mostly the just patrolled the Mediterranean theatre. They did, however, take part in the disastrous campaign in Egypt in 1807. So there's that at least.  ::)

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Armed Forces / Researching Napoleonic Soldiers
« on: Saturday 19 June 21 11:32 BST (UK)  »
Just a speculative/general thread really on looking at and researching relatives who served in the late Georgian period. I myself have a direct relative who signed up, 31st Regt of Foot, in 1799 and was discharged in 1821. I've done quite a lot of research on him already but I'm always interested in what other people may have done or accomplished. I've just got excited at looking at his life again and when I look at the folder I have of his time in the army I always want more. My interest mainly lies in everyday life but I am interested in all aspects of a soldiers life and experiences. It was spotting this book in the monthly Pen & Sword sale that did it for me.
https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Napoleonic-Lives-Kindle/p/10861

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Oddly Specific Job Description?
« on: Saturday 03 April 21 13:29 BST (UK)  »
I wonder if it was a code that was added later??   I found another pair of brothers in Wolverhampston with a smiliar notation after Iron Stamper
Yes and your code looks like 21/8 and not 2 1/8.

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