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You need to post bigger extracts, Dave.

...Alys my

wyffe & [phylyppe?] Ley my sonne my executors / I desier Thomas Ley my sonne &

John [flechar?] my sonne in Lawe to be sup(er)visors Theys wetnyssys will(ia)m [Colvin?] the

vic(ar) of [Thorntun? / Thorntam?] Thomas Ley of Thorntun Ric(hard) fyscher & John [pykard?]

These are actually the overseers.  I suspect the executors are just before this.

                                   ...and I con=

stitute and appoynte Thomas Sydowne

Henrie Leye my brother And John

Ley of Bagworthe to be the overseers

of this my laste wyll to be fullie satisfied

and p(er)furmed...

That lower case "L" after the P of Ptends: is that some shorthand for "something has been omitted - but you can guess what it is" !!

While it looks like a lower-case l here, it's actually a superscript squiggle, which is a standard contraction representing the letters re; and usually but not always seen after p.

I will see if I can find a clearer example and post a clip.


See the images attached to the first post here:

Second image:

...Dower Thirds and widows Bench which she may

have claime or p(re)tend to have any right or Title unto...



The use of touching is very common in phrases used to introduce the worldly estate part of wills.

It's a figurative sense of the word, still used today - we talk about touching on a subject.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: An inventory
« on: Tuesday 11 December 18 17:03 GMT (UK)  »
Any thoughts about catch press and catch horse?

I haven't seen either term before, and internet searches haven't been productive.

However, should I ever need to catch a real horse in a field, I already know that YouTube has my back.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: An inventory
« on: Tuesday 11 December 18 15:08 GMT (UK)  »
D. What would a Bep be?

I presume he means a Bed, although I can't be certain.  I was following the principle of transcribing what is written; and it clearly isn't written with a d.

I agree with the word Catch, as you have highlighted in Reply #5, but I haven't encountered these terms before.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: An inventory
« on: Tuesday 11 December 18 05:11 GMT (UK)  »
A few suggestions from a quick look through:

02.  ...five Chests and one Bep and Linnen

07.  ...two high Chest and Drawers...

08.  I believe the word used here (and elsewhere) is Stallages.  Search stillage on the internet.

09.  I don't think it is Stove Grates.  Either Stow or (less likely) Stew.

12.  ...One Clock...

13. Spit etc

16. Skellet...

18.  ...Small Hows...  [= hoes]

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1708 Latin burial extract 12
« on: Monday 10 December 18 15:08 GMT (UK)  »
I make it:  Lanifica

The Latin dictionaries give the definition as (adjective):  woodworking, spinning, weaving

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with name
« on: Sunday 09 December 18 18:27 GMT (UK)  »
doesn't seem to use 'the' at all

I'm of the opinion that your record has been scrubbed out and rewritten.

There's an orphaned part of a loop just below the o in sonn on the line above.  It's the kind of loop that might form part of an h, k, l or long-s.  Also, the surface of the page has an abraded look under the start of your record.

That could account for a change in the writer's usual habits.

Note that I'm not saying it must be the - just that it's a possibility.

Breaking it down, of the whole series of letters before the start of sonn, the second last is an h and the last is probably a scrubby e.

The third-last position really has to be a t, since i doesn't precede h in English.

So it's either a long name ending with the or it's the word the.


See also that the bottom loop of the long-s of sonn in the record above just disappears at the edge of the abraded area.  Compare to the other instances of sonn.

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