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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Latin inventory 1352 Somerset England
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 18:18 GMT (UK)  »
I can't make out all of the place names writing in the left margin but what is odd is some of them don't match the place names from his IPM.

In simple terms, IPMs only list lands held in chief from the monarch.  It is to be expected that a substantial landholder will have a shorter list in their IPM than in their will or inventory.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Latin inventory 1352 Somerset England
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 18:07 GMT (UK)  »
A few fragments from the first section.

In line 1 the second word may be:  iud(i)catis*

In line 6:

...q(uo)d Will(elmu)s de Iforde h(ab)et de bon(is) eiusdem Rob(er)ti DCCC lib(ra)ri ut in auro argent(o) [vas' - don't know this word] aureis...

A few extra names in line 3:

...Joh(ann)es Spencer Joh(ann)es [D?] Gilb(er)tus de [S?] Rog(er)us le Waleys Rob(er)tus le [Gothard?] Joh(ann)es [Ly?]...

EDIT:

*  Suggested transcript corrected to show contraction.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1486-1493
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 13:09 GMT (UK)  »
I wonder, is there any chance that it could be sixty acres rather than six?

Please forget what I said about six acres.  This is the first early Chancery document I've done in years, and I wasn't thinking straight about the numbers.

Watson's suggestion of thirty (xxx) acres is possible, although there will always be doubt without clarity on what seems to be a first character.

However we have enough to say that it definitely can't be lx.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1486-1493
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 03:18 GMT (UK)  »
Thomas Tanner was seised of a messuage and [six? - damaged] acres of land in Godmersham and Crundale in his demesne as of fee and so seised thereof of great trust enfeoffed John Doket and John a Down in fee to the intent that they should perform his last will which willed and ordained that the two Johns immediately after Thomas's decease should enfeoff Julian in all the tenements to have to her and her assigns for the term of her life.

The remainder in the tenements after her decease was to Robert Tanner the son of Thomas and then to the heirs of the body of Robert coming.

Thomas's will is ready to be shown in order to confirm this.

Since the death of her husband Julian has often times required the two Johns to make astate of the tenements to her according to the will but they have utterly refused and continue to refuse, contrary to reason and good conscience.

It ends in the normal manner for a Chancery Bill, with Julian praying for the grant of writs of subpeona to the two Johns commanding them to appear before the King in his Chancery etc.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: tho pritchard
« on: Monday 25 March 24 17:43 GMT (UK)  »
was looking at Oswestry births.wonder if it was of Willow st then. but poss Williams too.

The superscript letter following Tho. is an s.  The superscript letter following Will. clearly isn't an s.  It's a w.

Now I know this is from Oswestry, and I learn that one of the town's oldest streets is Willow St., I'm very comfortable that that is what is written in the line provided.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: tho pritchard
« on: Monday 25 March 24 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
It does appear to be a location:

...Tho(ma)s Prichard Willw St. ...

The first thought that comes to mind is Will(o)w St., but without knowing more about the context it's impossible to be sure.  It could be anything which fits the contracted form.

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You asked for the word at the end of the second line in clip 1.  I've attached an enlarged view of that word.  It is 'crofte' and the 'c' is the reason I interpreted the second highlighted word on clip 1 as 'crospiaell'.  Now that I have enlarged that word - see my reply to Bookbox - I can see a 't' as the fourth letter from the end, so now I see it as 'crosputell'.

Looking at the enlarged image, it could be Crospictel.

There's a common archaic word pightle (and many variant spellings), dating to the C13th and used for a small field or enclosure, sometimes (but not necessarily) associated with a house.

I wonder if our word might mean a cross-pightle, as opposed to one in some other orientation.

Best I can do.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with 1568 will (English)
« on: Wednesday 20 March 24 12:56 GMT (UK)  »
Here's a short clip of the first section.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with 1568 will (English)
« on: Wednesday 20 March 24 12:53 GMT (UK)  »
The image on Ancestry is much clearer.

It is:  ...unto my syster Pype to the releife of her childrenn...

The P is quite an extravagant affair.

The second mystery word is:  theodre ie ...theodre Pype...

If it isn't a name, this could mean:  the other

How does this fit with what you know of the family?

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