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Banffshire / Re: Ewen/Ewan/Even McKay or Mackay MI
« on: Today at 04:44 »
Thanks, Fordyce. Got it now and added it to the list, with consequent alterations of earlier messages highlighted in a different colour. It didn't occur to me to search using McCay, and for some reason searching with McKay and with Jo's e-mail address did not turn it up as it should have done.

Banffshire / Re: Ewen/Ewan/Even McKay or Mackay MI
« on: Yesterday at 17:24 »
There's nothing worse than researching where others have been before & of course not helped by info. posted which is known not to be correct.
Indeed. I see that I personally have now posted details of that 1841 census on at least three separate occasions in response to one or other of these threads!

I'm quite annoyed with myself because although I had a vague feeling that it was all familiar, I didn't actually check before duplicating what I myself as well as others had already done on this same query.

In this case, however, it's not altogether fair to Jo Mackay to accuse her of posting all of the multiplicity of threads on the same family, as most of this proliferation of threads has actually been generated by another descendant. Jo only started five of the ones I have found so far, two on the Ayrshire* Mailing List and one each on the Moray and the Banffshire Mailing Lists and on this thread. However I have yet to find the one referred to by Fordyce in 2016. Edit: now found - see below

*Not sure why Ayrshire as it's the other end of Scotland and there's no evidence that these M(a)ckays ever had any connection with there.

Banffshire / Re: Ewen/Ewan/Even McKay or Mackay MI
« on: Yesterday at 16:55 »
For the benefit of others who might like to see previous correspondence on this family
No wonder I thought it sounded familiar - my first reply on one of those threads was in 2002!

Banffshire / Re: Ewen/Ewan/Even McKay or Mackay MI
« on: Yesterday at 16:38 »
Best also to follow up the information provided by Fordyce, who is a very knowledegable and experienced researcher.

Banffshire / Re: Ewen/Ewan/Even McKay or Mackay MI
« on: Saturday 23 September 17 11:20 BST (UK)  »
The 1841 census transcription at lists at Clune, Deskford Ewan McKay, 50; Margaret McKay, 40; William McKay, 15; Margaret McKay, 9; Peter McKay, 7; Joseph McKay, 3, all born in Banffshire except Ewan.

In 1851, at Allan's Lane, Parish of Fordyce (I think this is in the village of Fordyce but since the transcription helpfully omits this detail I can't be certain without looking at the original) are John Russel, 53; his mother Janet Russel, 84; his sister Margaret McKay, 51; his nephews William, 25; Peter, 16; Joseph, 14; and niece Jane, 10.

You can view the full transcription at FreeCEN, and you should look at the originals at to make sure there are no transcription errors.

So it looks very much as if the Ewan McKay who died in 1842 is the father of this family. (Where did you find his date of death, by the way?)

There are 289 M(a)ckays in Banffshire in the 1841 census, and I ran an eye down the list (on FreeCEN) to see if there are any clues but nothing leapt off the page.

Adults' ages in the 1841 census were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, and the census was taken on 7 June, so if Ewan's age is accurate he was born between 8 June 1786 and 7 June 1791.

He named his eldest son John, and his second daughter was Anne, so there is a slightly raised probability that his parents were John and Anne. However this is not certain, and the water is further muddied if, as I suspect, Margaret's father was also John. (Was she the daughter of John Russell and Janet Lawrence?)

The Aberdeen and North-East Scotland Family History Society's online index of gravestone inscriptions does not include the old kirkyard at Fordyce, which is odd because I thought that they had published a booklet on Fordyce.  However no such booklet appears in their list of publications. Perhaps it is out of print.

There is a published book listing the transcriptions of all stones in Fordyce Old Kirkyard, recorded by W Cramond in 1886, but I do not have a copy. However see

However most people did not have gravestones, and as a farm labourer with a young family, he probably doesn't have one.

There are no records of the baptism of a Ewan or Ewen McKay or Mackay between 1780 and 1795 at Scotland's People, and the chances of a missing register lurking somewhere are remote.

Have you looked at all the baptisms of his children on Scotland's People, to see if the names of witnesses are listed? If, for example, a certain M(a)ckay was a witness to more than one of them, could it be Ewan's brother, and could he have survived until the start of civil registration in 1855?


United States of America / Re: Where to look for a marriage in Washington DC?
« on: Saturday 23 September 17 09:10 BST (UK)  »
BTW I did mean to add that yes, Allan's middle name was Winfred with an 'n' in the middle, not Wilfred. His father was also Winfred, but I don't know where the name came from. His parents were James Henderson and Lavinia Syme, and his grandparents were George Henderson and Margaret Masson, Andrew Syme and Margaret Sturrock. There is no immediately obvious candidate in the 1861 census.

United States of America / Re: Where to look for a marriage in Washington DC?
« on: Saturday 23 September 17 09:06 BST (UK)  »
Thanks you! I did know that Babs/Louisa' mother's name was Barbara Jacques, but not that she also had the middle name.

West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Re: hales/ hailes family search
« on: Saturday 23 September 17 08:58 BST (UK)  »
I have found MEREDITH HAILES death 1864 in bo'ness ....
Would anyone be able to help me possibly find .... who MEREDITHS parents were, the census say he was born IRELAND.
Does his death certificate not tell you? If not, then your chances of finding the names of his parents are slim.

United States of America / Re: Where to look for a marriage in Washington DC?
« on: Saturday 23 September 17 04:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi Molly, welcome to RootsChat.

Yes, Allan was my 4th cousin, and I have been working on that branch of the family intermittently for some time. I am in touch with his niece. She shared with me the results of her research, and I have been able to add quite a few bits here and there.

We would be interested in any information about Allan and his wife. You've already added a snippet by telling us that she used the name Louisa rather than Barbara, thank you.

Once you have posted two more messages on this forum I will be able to contact you off-forum and arrange to exchange more detailed notes.

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