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Midlothian / Re: James Steedman 1823-1912
« on: Today at 10:51 »
I spent a long time looking at this today and I am still puzzled.🤔
I was hoping the name GEMMEL might provide some clues.
Likewise, but I have yet to find anything helpful.

There is a baptism of a Mary Whyte to Thomas W and Agnes Gemmill in Paisley in 1803, and no matching death after 1855, so it's possible. However the three grandsons don't include a Thomas.

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Midlothian / Re: James Steedman 1823-1912
« on: Today at 10:10 »
ADDED - Also, the 1851 census I posted above is NOT correct.

Does that mean that the grandson of Peter S and Jean Coalier comes back into consideration?

- He's the right sort of age - 21 in 1851, so born 1829/1830
- He was born in the city (St Cuthbert's)

- Peter S and Jean Coalier had a son Alexander Ritchie Studman baptised in 1803.

Alexander Steedman, son of Peter S and Jean Collier, died in South Leith in 1878, aged 73. He married Isabella Dougall in 1841. Are the grandchildren living with Peter S and Jean C in 1841 his children by a previous marriage to Mary White?



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Just for the record, the name Isabella originates from the Spanish/Portuguese version of Elizabeth, so it is basically the same name. See https://www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Isabel.html

I have, very occasionally, come across a person who has been referred to by both names.

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Midlothian / Re: James Steedman 1823-1912
« on: Today at 09:02 »
Looks good, but inconveniently James Steedman, parents Alexander S and Anne Turnbull, married Mary or Margaret Robertson and died in Glasgow in 1898. So it's not him.

In the census after his marriage James S husband-of-Marion consistently says he was born in the city of Edinburgh*, not Lasswade or Glencorse etc.
* Greenside is in the city.


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Midlothian / Re: James Steedman 1823-1912
« on: Yesterday at 22:42 »
Good find, Neale.

In which case he's not the James St*dman in the household of Peter S in 1851, so he's not the one with Peter S and Jean Coalier in 1841 either.

Can we find an approximately 8-year-old James S with parents Alexander and Mary in 1841?

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Midlothian / Re: James Steedman 1823-1912
« on: Yesterday at 22:33 »
I have found both the marriage and death records. On the ancestry tree that these come from it states the parents as Alexander Steedman 1790-1912 and Mary White 1790-1912, would that make sense for them to be James's parents? All the other trees have his parents listed as Henry Steedman and Mary Patullo.
Well, I think I have made it clear that I am quite certain that "all the other trees" are wrong. Even without the primary evidence of the death certificate.

Sadly, this is all too common; one sloppy researcher uploads a tree with wrong information, and then along come umpteen other people, and just copy the dud information. Then, before you know it, you have dozens of trees with the same error, and then the next person comes along and thinks, "Ah! If all these people think that's right, it must be right", and they copy it all over again.

Never, ever, believe anything you find online, and especially not trees submitted to commercial web sites like Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage etc etc, unless it's an image of an original document, and even then bear in mind that errors can and do occur.

And I don't believe their dates - 1790-1912 would mean Alexander and Mary were both 122 years old when they died, which is arrant nonsense.

You have excellent evidence, provided by his son William, that James St*dman, husband of Marion Campbell, was the son of Alexander St*dman and Mary White.


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I also note that there is indeed a death in 1833 of a Janet Hind, aged 56, in Bo'ness, though FS doesn't say so. Is there any evidence to prove that this Janet Hind is the wife of William McKain? Or has some clever clogs found only one death of a Janet Hind, and assumed it must be the correct one?

Where was William McKain in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses?

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According to FS
This is the FS interpretation from the 1867 death certificate that BMcKain already has - it adds nothing new.

Actually it creates new confusion, because it has Janet Hind's husband and his brother (of the same name) both dying in 1867, and it doesn't say that William born 1790 is her son.

And if she was born in 1777 she wasn't old enough to be the mother of William born 1790.

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Midlothian / Re: James Steedman 1823-1912
« on: Yesterday at 20:01 »
If you are looking anywhere other than www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk you are wasting your time.

The deaths index there says that James Steedman, aged 83, mother's maiden surname White, died in Edinburgh in 1912. That, if it is accurate, would put his date of birth in 1828/1829. If you get a copy of it it will tell you the full names of both his parents.

There's a baptism of James Steedman, son of Henry Steedman and Mary Pitillo, in Edinburgh in 1823. (There isn't a birth certificate because there was no such thing until the start of civil registration in 1855.)

I see that James Steedman and Marion Campbell were married in 1854, and that they had James in 1855, Peter 1857, David 1860, Alexander 1862, Marion 1865, William Penicuik 1868, Mary 1870 and twins Margaret Campbell and Jane in 1873. The absence of a Henry among their five sons does suggest that perhaps James' father was not Henry, especially if Henry died in 1854, just before their first son was born. James' occuption varies from a stocker in a factory to railway packer to a porter.

In the 1861 census James said he was 30. In 1871 he said he was 38, born Greenside, Midlothian. In 1881 he was 52, and in 1891 he was 61. In 1901 he was 73 and in 1911 he was 82. So the range of birth years from the census, and from his death, is between 1827 and 1833. He's probably the James Steadman in the 1851 census with his grandmother Jean Steadman and Peter Steadman, 24. In 1841 the St*dman family consists of Peter, 67; Jean, 67; Peter, 25; Catherine, 25; Peter, 14; Alexander, 12; and James, 10.

I think the older couple are Peter Steadman and Jean Coalier, whose son Peter, born 1801, would have been recorded as aged 35 in 1841, when adults' ages are rounded down to the nearest 5 years.

Henry Steedman with wife Mary and children Henry, John, William, Thomas and Jane, are in the 1841 census together. In 1851 James Steedman, 26, is head of a household that includes his brothers Henry, John, William and Thomas and their sister Jane. James is a printer's pressman. I have not found him at all in 1861.

So to sum up I am certain that your James is not the son of Henry Steedman and Mary Patillo, and I think he is possibly the one who is a grandson to Peter Steedman and Jean Coalier.

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