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See screenshot for baptisms on Scotland's People, parents William M(a)cPherson and Elizabeth Moir
Elizabeth, 30 September 1777
George, 15 May 1785
both in Cairnie.

What are the chances that someone found George, assumed his parents were married a few years before he was born, plucked 1781 out of thin air and put it on a tree on Ancestry? There is certainly no genuine surviving available record of a M(a)cPherson/Moir marriage in 1781, so unless the person who compiled that tree has something like a family bible, you cannot trust it.

It would indeed be useful to know how Leashl arrived at William McPherson and Elizabeth Moir.


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Well, 'Huntly by Carnie' is and always would have been incorrect, whatever your source is. Huntly and Cairnie/Cairney are two separate adjacent parishes in Aberdeenshire, therefore historically (quite apart from it being the bigger place) Huntly is not and never has been 'by Ca(i)rnie'. These days it's the other way round - an address in Cairnie is officially 'Cairnie, Huntly'.

The original document is available to view for a small fee at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - see screenshot from the index to the Old Parish Registers - so you have the same access to it as anyone else, unless someone happened to be in a Scotland's People Centre, or if you or someone else can find a microfilm copy of the Cairnie/Cairney parish register.

As you can see, the date indexed is indeed 31 January 1766. However this could be the date when the banns were first proclaimed, or possibly the date when they were proclaimed for the third and final time, or possibly just the date when the parish clerk wrote it down. The original document may  clarify this, but not necessarily.

It is unlikely to give you much more useful information, and in particular it will almost certainly not tell you the the names of the couple's parents.

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Stirlingshire / Re: Parkburn House Kilsyth
« on: Today at 16:53 »
Riddell, I've sent you a PM. 

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Just in passing, and despite what Ancestry and similar web sites would have you believe,  there is no such thing as probate in Scotland, so you will struggle to find any actual documents if you search for probate. The legal process in Scotland is Confirmation.

If someone domiciled in Scotland owning property in England, Wales or Ireland, the Scottish Confirmation is Sealed in the courts there.

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Stirlingshire / Re: Parkburn House Kilsyth
« on: Yesterday at 17:30 »
Welcome to RootsChat, Riddell.

According to the deaths index at www.scotlandspeople,gov.uk there is a death of a Mary Ann Taggart or Miller in Kilsyth in 1943. So she was born about 1870.

The index to the 1911 census in Kilsyth lists what looks like two Millar households consisting of Alex, 40; Elizabeth B, 36;  Mary, 35; John, 32;  Kathleen, 15; Minnie, 13; Mary L S, 3; Elizabeth A, 1; and Jenny, 0.

There are births of Mary Livingston Millar and Elizabeth Allan Millar in 1908 and 1909, mother's maiden surname Lockhart; and Jennie Millar, mother's maiden name Taggart, was born in Kilsyth in 1910. John Millar married Elizabeth Bryde Lockhart in Kilsyth in 1907.

However I am not seeing a marriage of Mary Taggart to Alexander Mill*r in the a marriages index at www.irishgenealogy.ie and I can't see Kathleen in the 1901 census in Ireland.

You need to go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and invest in a few credits.

Use some of them to look at the birth certificate of Jennie Millar. This will tell you the date and place of her (and therefore Kathleen's) parents' marriage.

Use some more to look at Mary Taggart or Miller's death certificate. This will tell you if Alexander had or had not died before her, which will help to find his death, and it should tell you the full names of Mary's parents including her mother's maiden surname. Actually he is probably the Alexander Miller, mother's maiden surname Wilson, who died in Kilsyth in 1921 aged 62. His death certificate will tell you the full names of both his parents.

And you could also take a look at the original of the 1911 census, which might tell you where in Ireland they were all born.

Unrelated question - might the initials SBTB mean anything to you? A simple yes or no will suffice until you have made enough posts to use the Personal Message system.

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Have you seen the item on Rev John G in Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae?

https://www.ecclegen.com/general-index-g/#Gellie,%20Andrew - scroll down to arrive at clickable links.

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Wigtownshire / Re: McMeckan / McClymont
« on: Friday 19 April 24 23:08 BST (UK)  »
As they were living in Scotland after 1855, and assuming that they died in Scotland, their death certificates should tell you the full names of their parents including their mothers' maiden surnames, assuming that the informant(s) knew that information.

See www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - a small fee is payable to view the original documents.



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Orkney / Re: Thomson's & Tulloch's
« on: Thursday 18 April 24 21:40 BST (UK)  »
No.

You need to look at one of the birth certificates to see what they tell you. They will tell you the name of the twins' mother. The father of an illegitimate child can only be recorded on the birth certificate if he accompanies the mother when she goes to register the birth, and signs the certificate along with her. However I don't think he did in this case because the twins' births are indexed only under Thomson, and if he had co-signed the certificate they would also be indexed under his surname.

It is possible, if Jemima knew who her father was, that she might have named him when she got married. Have you got her marriage certificates?

And don't waste your time looking in Ancestry. Scotland's People is the primary source of this information, and if it isn't there it isn't going to be on Ancestry either, because Ancestry just transcribes or indexes primary sources. See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0

BTW you need to ask a Moderator to move your part of this thread out of Orkney and into Aberdeenshire.

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Orkney / Re: Thomson's & Tulloch's
« on: Wednesday 17 April 24 18:02 BST (UK)  »
Welcome to RootsChat :)

i think we might need a little more evidence to allow us to home in on your twins. Are you saying that your great-grandmother had twins Jemima and Ina in 1901 surnamed Hart; that Jemima was adopted by someone called Thomson, and Ina died in 1963? Because I can't find anything to match that.

However in 1901 twins named Jemima Innes Thomson and Williamina Down Thomson were born in the district of Pitsligo in Aberdeenshire. The mother's maiden surname is omitted from the index, which usually implies that the birth was illegitimate.

There is a death of Jemima Innes Thomson or Ritchie or Collett in Pitsligo in 1963, so it was Jemima, not Ina, who died in 1963.

The original documents can be viewed at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for a modest fee. Either of the birth certificates will tell you the full name of the twins' mother and where they were born. This may allow you to find their mother in the 1901 and earlier census.




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