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United States of America / Re: East 14th Street, New York in 1880s
« on: Tuesday 23 October 18 01:04 BST (UK)  »
Was Michael Murray Scottish or Irish? 

Haven't been able to establish that. My instinct is that he probably was Irish. I can't locate him on 1851 Census.

Looby

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United States of America / Re: East 14th Street, New York in 1880s
« on: Monday 22 October 18 23:38 BST (UK)  »
I'm not aware of William having a middle initial (not to say he didn't :-\ )

Interestingly , during my search of death records on Familysearch , I came across the death of a William H Harris on 25th August 1896 in Brooklyn, New York. He was 76, married, born in USA and his occupation was Commission Mch (? no idea what that is? ) .

Looby  :)

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United States of America / Re: East 14th Street, New York in 1880s
« on: Monday 22 October 18 23:12 BST (UK)  »
Which ones are too blurry?  If they aren't too long, I can clip them and attach them here.


Thanks for the offer Erato - but I have opened another internet browser and have now succeeded in opening a much clearer image of the newspaper (the one with Jane's image)  ;D  I can read it with ease.

Looby :)

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United States of America / Re: East 14th Street, New York in 1880s
« on: Monday 22 October 18 22:10 BST (UK)  »
An article from the Evening Telegram on 7 July 1897 [Rahway Murder Is Cleared Up] refers to "Mrs. William Harris of Oceanport, N.J., living temporarily at No. 323? West Fortieth Street this city [NYC]."  In this accounting of the murder, Mary was said to have traveled on the steamship 'Bolivia' carrying $2000 which was her part of her father's fortune. 

An article in the Herald on 9 July 1897 [Mary Dorman's Tragic Death], has an interview with Jane's sister Agnes who was living in Syracuse, NY and remarried to a guy named Charles Williams.

The other articles are worth reading, too, if you need more background.  They seem to confirm that, at the time of the murder, Jane Harris was living at 273 East 4th Street, NYC not on 14th Street.  It was the brother-in-law, Andrew Kirkwood, who lived on 14th Street in Jersey City, N.J.

Thanks again for these. I am trying to read them . Perhaps it is my laptop , but I am finding these newspaper images very blurry :-X :'(
Looby :)

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United States of America / Re: East 14th Street, New York in 1880s
« on: Monday 22 October 18 22:06 BST (UK)  »
Thank you oldohiohome,

I will look for other widows on Census to compare with the entry for Jane Harris which Erato shared.

You are so correct about a Census entry being like a sketch of someone's life circumstances on a particular day. Of course, Census entries are only as accurate as the knowledge and honesty of the person supplying the info.

Looby

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Hiya -
You haven't mentioned if you had found Ann &John Caldwell on Censuses.

The Caldwell family are living at Kilnknow , Galston on 1841 Census. All born in Ayrshire.
(Spellings are per Freecen)

John Caldwell    age 30 Coal Miner
Ann Caldwell     age 30
Willm Caldwell   age 12
John Caldwell    age 2
James Caldwell  age 3 months
Christina Caldwell age 8
Mary Caldwell     age 5

By 1851 Census the family are at 5 Henrietta Street, Galston  all with Galston as place of birth.
John Caldwell     age 39  Head   Coal Miner
Ann Caldwell      age 39   Wife    Flowerer *
Christina Caldwell   age 18 Dau    Cotton Clipper
Mary Caldwell      age 15    Dau    Cotton Clipper
Allen Caldwell      age 8      Son
Ann Caldwell        age 6     Dau   
Robert Caldwell    age 2     Son

* A Flowerer would be a woman/girl who embroidered cloth  - I believe.

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United States of America / Re: East 14th Street, New York in 1880s
« on: Monday 22 October 18 08:17 BST (UK)  »
Good morning
Thank you so much Erato - I have not seen these reports from 1897 before. I'm quite excited to get down to studying them fully later today.

I've had a quick look at the artist's impression of Jane and you are right - she looks like she's had a hard life. I wonder if she did have two children who died? Or if that is all part of her tale. Certainly her son Thomas is still alive and well in Scotland at this time - and doing quite well for himself , despite his poor start in life.

You have to wonder at Jane's motivation for her reappearance in 1897  - I suppose she was hoping to be paid for her interview?  She is certainly spinning a web of lies.  The sisters father never had a fortune  ;D He was a poor agricultural worker who died in 1864. And Mary Dorman never left Scotland !! She was still very much alive and kicking at the time of these articles.

I knew that Agnes Dorman Space remarried after the death of her husband . Charles Williams was a Scandanavian immigrant and they went on to have a family. Agnes gave birth very late in life. She was approx. 51 year old when she had her third child. 
I've been in touch a few years ago on this site (and on a thread relating to someone looking for info on Agnes) with a descendant of that third child.

Thanks again for finding these amazing articles. I'll have a better read later. But now Monday morning calls.......

Looby :)

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United States of America / Re: East 14th Street, New York in 1880s
« on: Sunday 21 October 18 23:42 BST (UK)  »
I have found Jane's date of birth on her baptism record on Scotlands People website where she is recorded as Jane Dormans. Her D.O.B is 3rd September 1846.

Thanks to all for their comments and help - I appreciate it.
Makes me think I might crack Jane and what happened to her yet.


Looby :)

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United States of America / Re: East 14th Street, New York in 1880s
« on: Sunday 21 October 18 23:26 BST (UK)  »
That is a possibility Erato.
She could easily knock 10 years off her age and pretend to be younger. The year of immigration -1880 - is a good match with previous info.

This lady states she was married for 25 years - if William had not long died that could be possible  :-\
And this lady states she has had two children - then in next column a figure 2 has been scored out? Does that mean the children are dead?
I only know of Thomas Murray , her son. Jane could have had another child - I have never found a trace of one.

But this gives me something to consider . Does the occupation say Nurse or None?

Looby :)

Added - Thank you, again Erato .

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