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Occupation Interests / Re: Teachers Registration in Scotland??
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 01:20 BST (UK)  »
Yay !  Congratulations - what a superb find !

Scotland / Re: China manufacturer in Scotland circa 1800
« on: Friday 21 September 18 16:40 BST (UK)  »
Porcelain is made from crushed flint .... China is made from crushed bone and feldspar found growing in Scotland.
Are you absolutely certain of that?

See and

I'm no expert Forfarian, I tried to be helpful to the poster by way of explanation of local sources.

I copied and pasted but obviously from a different website - and from another separate website here's a third explanation:- 

"The primary components of porcelain are clays, feldspar or flint, and silica, all characterized by small particle size. To create different types of porcelain, ." 

The Lighter Side / Re: True or false?
« on: Friday 21 September 18 03:27 BST (UK)  »

Harris tweed had  a very distinctive odour,well it would would’nt it!
Not much made nowadays.

This reminded me of a shock one islander had when he received an order out of the blue from Nike Sports people in America wanting 9,500 metres of Harris tweed to be delivered yesterday.  His usual weekly output was 100 metres of tweed a week.

I thought this was only a couple or so years ago but I've just checked and it was 2004.

Occupation Interests / Re: Teachers Registration in Scotland??
« on: Friday 21 September 18 03:05 BST (UK)  »
I was lucky and found the teaching college, where my ancestors attended, inserted adverts in local newspapers giving names of who had passed what exam and which schools each of them would be teaching at.

I see the British Newspaper Archive has historic copies of Dundee newspapers.  Have you enquired to see if your local or county library gives free access to this archive?

This is the URL for the newspaper archive.  If your library has a subscription they will give their members a barcode to use for free entry to the website.

Scotland / Re: China manufacturer in Scotland circa 1800
« on: Friday 21 September 18 00:38 BST (UK)  »
I did find mention of a James Anderson here:


Alloa Pottery. These works were established in 1790 by Mr.
James Anderson, and were afterwards carried on by Mr. William
Gardner; in 1855 they passed by purchase into the hands of the
present proprietors, Messrs. W. & J. Bailey. At first the works,
under Mr. Anderson, produced common brownware pans and crocks,
and by Mr. Gardner the addition was made of Rockingham ware

My Speight ancestors worked at the pottery making Rockingham ware.  the factory was in Wath Upon Dearne, West Riding of Yorkshire.

Porcelain is made from crushed flint and my Wm Speight was the miller in charge of the workshop that crushed the flint.

China is made from crushed bone and feldspar found growing in Scotland.

P.S. The porcelain factory was owned by Brameld and you can still find Brameld crockery in circulation.

London and Middlesex / Re: Is it KETTELL or possibly FETTELL???
« on: Thursday 20 September 18 13:32 BST (UK)  »
Have a look on this list of old British names - you might try to use wildcards when searching bmds.

If you search for "ket" it's often a sufflx or prefix.

 Kettle = Ketill = the kettle of the gods

.... and this variation "Ketel/Chitel" on this page (see under) is found in the Doomsday/Domesday book

url link

World War One / Re: "Comic Sports" in War Diaries
« on: Thursday 20 September 18 13:15 BST (UK)  »
My OH was in the forces during the 1950-1960s when he experienced some rather "hairy times"s (as he called them) and I've got some extremely odd looking photos of the games they played during their "down time". 

They were obviously competitions and probably included team games. i think you'll find most of them eventually passed into civilian life at parties and school playgrounds.  Maybe interpretations of them were modernised and appeared on the 1960s TV programme "Sunday Night At The Palladium".

We played the apple bobbing game described in the trove newspaper - the prize was being the winning team.

It's easy to imagine the games would include teams of stretcher bearers carrying their patient racing along a makeshift over and under obstacle course trying to be first to get their patient to the finishing line.

We had large Christmas family party games in the 1940s which included veteran soldiers who I recall organised our games, such as teams standing in lines having to quickly eat a dry cream cracker and then try to pass on a message to the next team member who then had to eat a dry cream cracker before passing on the message. the last person in the team then had eat his/her cracker and then race to the organiser to sucessfully pass on the complete message.

Races carrying a man on your shoulder in a fireman's lift.

I can't recall the name of this game but it must have had a few variations:
A line of people shoulder to shoulder facing a similar team and each person holding the outstretched hands of the opposite person. you now have bridge of arms along which you toss members of your team.  To get onto the bridge a member has to run a short distance before launching him/herself chest first up onto the bridge, that person will then get tossed along the arms and be safely caught at the end. 

The Lighter Side / Re: Finally (remotely) connected to someone (slightly) famous!
« on: Monday 17 September 18 16:22 BST (UK)  »
Gosh, Rena - shall we call you ma'am? :)  ;D

You can call me whatever you like - just as long as you either bow or curtsy when you're saying it  ;D

Have a good week.

The Lighter Side / Re: Finally (remotely) connected to someone (slightly) famous!
« on: Monday 17 September 18 10:37 BST (UK)  »
Phew Igor - four pages of suspense!  I didn't recognise the name, but certainly recognise the face.

I have absolutely no link to anyone famous, but know beyond a doubt that my mother looked the spitting image of Queen Elizabeth the Queen mother and my father (when slim) was the spitting image of Philip Duke of Edinburgh   ;D

I spoke too soon. I've spent the last decade with my sights firmly fixed on trying to clear the mists hiding irish and Scottish paternal lines.  I was clearing up my desktop this weekend and opened a forgotten screenshot of an ancestral line.  My mother's maternal grandmother was Lucy Speight a lass from West Yorkshire, born in the 1850s. A hundred years earlier one of her Yorkshire ancestors had been a farrier in the Light Dragoons and had brought a southern born bride back home with him. The bride was from farming stock and I've got a couple of 18th century wills together with baptism documents going back to the beginning of the 17th century. After a few fathers named Robert, one early father is named as Mr. Radulphi Wells, with a title like that he was obviously considered a gentleman. and probably a land owner - and with a surname like that it was obviously a (quite common) place name. Well, Welles,WELL! - you could have hit me with la plume de ma tante; who would have thought I'd find a couple of genealogists had researched and written books on the family's history right back to the earliest days of Normandy diners on frogs legs! I checked with my kissing cousin on GenesReunited who shared my tree and discovered they'd already found that the Wells' line went back to Chateau Vallibus in Vaux, Normandy.  The earliest economic arrivals were gifted land by the King. When the family expanded, the father shared his estate between his sons and one child was gifted land in Wells - hence the new surname.

I'm leaving my tree as it is and won't be spending any of my pension doing my own research.  It's enough for me to know that due to the Vaux's marriage connections with the House of Orange and other well to do European personages, there is a likelihood that my mother and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon could well have shared a few genes.

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