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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Reed-Cornwall to Australia which ship??
« on: Wednesday 01 November 17 00:52 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for all that Susan.  Happy to fill in any blanks.  What a naughty boy J H was and involving his father too.  I too was wondering how Pam and I would be related, racking my brain to think of any relatives names,  maybe Pam is descended from my grandfathers brother Alec.  I have messaged you on Fb Susan. 

Coralie

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Reed-Cornwall to Australia which ship??
« on: Tuesday 31 October 17 11:03 GMT (UK)  »
Oh dear!  What did he steal I wonder?  In contrast I am just looking at an article in Bendigo Weekly.com.au about his son Joseph (b Stawell 1875), a local business man and being a pillar of society,lol. 

Do we know anything more about Richard and Emma's time in New Zealand?  I found some shipping records for a group of miners under the name of Molong Company coming to NSW on 7 Jul 1848 on the Elphinstone.  Unfortunately as they were in steerage it doesn't show names, only lists 15 miners, 7 women and 12 children as belonging to this group heading for Molong NSW (presumably the copper mine there).  I will contact the Molong Historical Society as they may have details of employees of the Molong Copper Mining co.

The search continues.....

Coralie

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Family History Beginners Board / William Davis & Mary Ann Andrews - calling all descendants for missing info.
« on: Monday 21 July 14 07:35 BST (UK)  »
Calling on any possible descendant of William & Mary for information I don't have. They were married in Carisbrook Vic in 1860.  I am a descendant through their son Isaiah Alfred.  On the Davis side I have Isaiah's marr cert and William's marr cert which states that his father John was a fruiterer and mother's name was Elizabeth Hughes.  Possible match for William with John Davis (occ showing greengrocer), Elizabeth Davis on an 1841 census in Cheltenham with siblings John and Mary.  Here I have hit a stumbling block as can't find anything further back.  In fact I can't find any shipping records for William and don't know if he came to Aus by himself or with family???  His death cert says he arrived in Vic in 1855 at the age of 17 and was occ as postal official in Ballarat.  Have found the odd newspaper article for his death and for eldest daughter Bessie's marriage to Archelaus Ball. 

On the Andrews side there are shipping records for Mary Ann coming to Aus with her parents James and Sarah in 1858.  I have found family search records for her siblings (William, Isaiah, James, Jane,John Baker) born in Newton Ferrers Devon and possible marriage between her parents James Andrews and Sarah Baker in 1821.  Also probable match with marriage in 1788 of Sarah Baker's parents (Sarah Bowen and John Baker) and subsequent births of Sarah's siblings in Newton Ferrers of John Bowen,Sarah,Mary Anne,Diana,Elizabeth,Caroline,Jane).  Probable matches as there appears to be use of Bowen as middle name in child born in Aus, also christian names as well.  I also have census records for 1851 of James and Sarah Andrews and children living in Cawsand prior to coming to Aus.  I have Sarah Andrews death cert but there appears to be mistakes about her parents on it when compared to her daughters death cert.

Having laid out all that info there are lots of gaps if any other descendants have details to fill in.  Would love to know what happened to James Andrews (farmer)after he came to Aus, and I don't have much info on his Andrews side.  Would love to know more about William Davis and how he became a postal official back in those early days and again would love to know more about his circumstances in coming to Aus and with whom and his background.

Sorry to be so long winded but didn't want to waste anyone's time with doubling up on info, anything new will be greatly appreciated.

Regards Coralie

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Australia / Re: Bruces from Maldon Victoria
« on: Thursday 17 July 14 13:35 BST (UK)  »
Thanks JUDITH for all that info.  I have most of it but I didn't have the info on Emily's brothers being watermen.  My search results didn't show her father's occupation at time of birth being a shipping agent either so that leads me to think he went from being a shipping agent to a grocer at the time of 1841 census.  Looks like their lives revolved around the maritime industry.  I thought I had Joseph Lord's death in 1847 but it doesn't say he is deceased on Emily's 1849 marriage cert., just that his occ is gentleman????

Another piece to the puzzle you provided was that William Bruce snr was a clothes draper at time of son's birth before he worked as a master at Hackney Union.

Would love to know more about all their personal lives and if there are any diaries, letters or photos out there.

Anyway thanks again Judith.




SUE I did get some photos of the headstone emailed to me prob. couple of years ago but we have had so many computer problems since then that they may be lost, so I will do a search and if I can't find them I will take you up on your kind offer.  Thanks Coralie

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Australia / Bruces from Maldon Victoria
« on: Thursday 17 July 14 03:23 BST (UK)  »
Seeking info on the Bruces from Maldon Victoria.  I am descendant of William Bruce b 1793 London who married Rebecca Bradshaw b Cerkenwall London.  Both William and his son William Frederick were Masters of Workhouses in London and migrated to Australia.  William Frederick first in 1852 with wife Emily Anne (Lord) and later on his parents.

I have hit a stumbling block with the Bruces.  I know William's father was a silversmith as per his death cert. and found a will of a William Bruce Silversmith of Chelsea, Middlesex dated 1813 which is hard to read and doesn't give a lot of details but could be a match.

Any info about William Bruce the silversmith or indeed any info on the Bruces lives after they immigrated to Maldon would be great to know.  I do know via 1856 electoral roll that W F Bruce was involved with the British and American Hotel Maldon somehow. 

Also any info on Emily's Lord ancestors would be great too if any of her descendants have info.  I have found a good match in 1841 census with Emily living with her family father Joseph (grocer) mother Esther (possibly 2nd wife of Jos and Em's step mum) in Gravesend.  Note Emily's death cert says father was shipping agent????


Thanks Coralie


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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Reed-Cornwall to Australia which ship??
« on: Wednesday 16 July 14 14:28 BST (UK)  »
Yep looks like Emma had a Mary Hannah between William Henry (b 1864) and Edith with 2nd husband.  She was born in 1866 so born before her father Richard was killed in mining accident in 1867.  On the BMD Vic site it shows her name as Mary Anne though. 

I am descended on the Reed side through Richard, Joseph Hosking, Joseph and then my grandfather Percy Reed.  Sorry to hear you have recently lost your father, my mother passed away when I was quite young, her name was Elizabeth Ann, which seemed to be a strong naming tradition for the Reed girls.  The Reed name continues through her brother John's line.

Its nice to have the info on the extended Reed family.  If your ancestors came out between 1851 and 1853 they probably got lured here by Richard's promises of gold as that would have been smack bang in the gold rush.  I wish we had diaries etc to fill in the details of their lives, it would be fascinating.  I started looking at govt gazettes and found an entry for registration of Ballaarat Quartz Mining Co in 1863 at a place called New Years Reef Steiglitz.  It had John Reed and Richard Reed as shareholders and was witnessed by a Joseph Reed.  Have you managed to find much info further back?  I have gone as far back as Nicholas Reed and Catherine Oppy but other researchers seem to have gone way back.  One I found on ancestry claims to go back to Alfred the Shrewd (Alfred the Great) but I don't know how accurate their research was, lol.  We could be descended from royalty!!!!

Anyway one day I will get in to Mitchell Library and solve the puzzle of the shipping dates.

Take care Susan,  Coralie

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Reed-Cornwall to Australia which ship??
« on: Wednesday 16 July 14 08:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi Floozy,  Thanks for that.  I think have the census records for Emma too.  Her father and brother appear to be blacksmiths and her parents and some of family stayed in Cornwall at least till 1861 census.  She must have met Richard through living in same neighbourhood as his brother and family.  I have Emma Bawden/Reed/Hosking's death certificate which lists 7 surviving children (one with husband she married after Richard died in mining accident) and one deceased (Mary Hannah).  No mention of a deceased Elizabeth and deceased Richard (only the surviving of these names).  I know another lady mentioned the possiblility that they went to NZ first but on cert. it lists in order of NSW, NZ, and then Vic.  As there is a gap between 1852 (birth of 2nd Eliz) and 1855 the birth of next child in Vic, I have a feeling that they may have gone to NZ inbetween NSW & Vic, but I can't be sure.  Elizabeth (1) most likely died in NSW before the 2nd Eliz was named but Richard (1) may have died in NZ or Vic.  I will keep digging and let you know if I find anything.  So many questions, why did they come to Aus before gold had even been discovered, most likely for the copper mining and now the question of whether they went to NSW or NZ first.  Very brave people especially the women to endure the sort of hardships they must have put up with.  Do you know if John or his wife's death cert show a trip to NZ after they came out in 1851-1853??  Sorry so many question running round in my mind.   Anyway as I said I will let you know what I find.  Regards Coralie

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Reed-Cornwall to Australia which ship??
« on: Monday 14 July 14 15:05 BST (UK)  »
Hi  - I am also a descendant of Richard Reed.  I have also been puzzling over the two birth entries in NSW for Elizabeth Ann Reed.  I have the death cert of Elizabeth Ann Matsen (nee Reed) born in NSW in 1852 but can't find any info on what happened to the Elizabeth Ann born in 1848.  I am assuming she died and they gave their next girl her name but can't find death cert.  This also happens with Richard born in Bathurst in 1850 as they have a Richard born in 1855.  Very puzzling, so if you can shed any light I would be very greatful. 

I have also been trying to track Richard and Emma's immigration to no avail.  I always thought they came out to Aus with brother John and his wife due to an ancestry chat site I saw but from your info that appears to be not the case.  Because the first Elizabeth Ann was born in Molong I suspect that Richard and Emma went to Copper Hill, Richard being a copper miner.  They may even have come out to Aus with Capt. Clymo.  He was the manager of the mine 1848-1850, he came from Cornwall with a no of Cornishmen under a one year contract to the Molong Mining Co.  They arrived in Sydney on 15.9.1848 by the ship Elphinstone according to goldencross.com.  I have found no records for this.  The next child, Richard, is born in Bathurst and the one after is born in Sofala, obviously following the gold trail.

Anyway any info would be great.  Thanks Coralie

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