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Durham / Re: mellanby family of durham
« on: Friday 19 December 14 16:56 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,
I was interested in your post as I have been researching the Mellanbys for some time. I have written up some of this in https://sites.google.com/site/mellanbyarchives. If you would like to look at this you will see some of your own branch under the heading "Birkby". Unfortunately I seem to have overlooked your own ancestry entirely! I will look into this as I have clearly missed something. The names Thomas Mellanby and Margaret Shaw also ring a bell which I will have a look at.

John Mellanby


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One Name Studies: T to Z / Re: Wallis Surname
« on: Wednesday 27 February 13 01:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Ron,
If you have a look at https://sites.google.com/site/mellanbyhistory and follow the link to Mellanby Archives  and then find "Wire workers", you may find your family there.

John Mellanby

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Durham / Re: Paradise Row, Darlington
« on: Sunday 09 December 12 15:43 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Stan and Pels for your replies. The school had 22 pupils, all boys. As well as the schoolmaster, Samuel Gething, there was a ten-year-old Samuel Dupuy Gething, three adult females with occupation "F S" (?) and a French teacher. From the information you have provided it looks very much to me that this was the  Roman Catholic School referred to. The French teacher was born in France and the name Dupuy is French, I believe, which is supportive of the Catholic connection even if it doesn't prove anything.

As far as I know none of my family were Catholic (surname Mellanby) but I shall now look into this more closely. Just thought of another French connection; the pupil at this school, Joseph Mellanby, or his father had hand-bills printed in French, advertising the quality of South Durham coal and offering to sell it at West Hartlepool to any French mariner who could find his way into the port. Perhaps there was a linguistic reason for going to this school?

You have given me quite a lot to chew on but if any more information comes to light I would be grateful for it.

John


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Durham / Paradise Row, Darlington
« on: Saturday 08 December 12 19:07 GMT (UK)  »
According to the 1841 census one of my ancestors was a pupil at a boarding school in Paradise Row, Darlington at that time. I would be grateful if anyone can give me the name of the school, tell me anything about it or give me a reference.

Many thanks.

John

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One Name Studies: T to Z / Re: Wallis Surname
« on: Thursday 06 September 12 16:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mercian,

Thanks for that explanation which I find very interesting.  It also confirms I was correct not to pursue my DNA/surname/linguistic theories too far!

John

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One Name Studies: T to Z / Re: Wallis Surname
« on: Wednesday 05 September 12 17:07 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mercian,

Thanks for your interest in my post. I have to disappoint you though as I can't help with you directly with your Benjamin Wallis query. You may be well aware of these sources but in researching my name, Mellanby, I have found Bishop's Transcripts and early wills to be very useful. I am fortunate since in County Durham a lot of this material is in the care of Durham University and is being made available to amateur researchers in various ways - just wondered if your local universities might be any use in this regard?

 My interest in Wallis arose from a DNA project I got involved in. As you may know in some such projects it is customary for participants to give the name of their earliest known ancestor (males in this case), the idea being that some indication of geographic origins may result. However I think a better indication might be found if surname origins are taken into account. The names I was looking at included Mellanby (my own name, probably from Cumbria), Livingstone, Lockhart, Stewart, Wallace and Wallis. There is clearly a "North British" look about this group but I wondered what the connection was between Wallace and Wallis given that Wallis has a Southern English origin; could it be that both names arose when Germanic-speaking tribes came over to Britain and called the people who were already here "Wal-something"? If this were the case then it might be expected that the Wal-somethings had similar DNA to one another and hence modern Wallace and Wallis's  appear in the same project.

I believe this is a reasonable proposition but I have come to realise that it will have to remain mere speculation as it would require a huge amount of research to test it properly. The main reason for this is that, although the name experts can fairly confidently tell us about the origins of many surnames, we can never be sure that the modern bearers of a name are directly descended from the original bearer.

You mention Francis Pryor. I must say that I have enjoyed his books. He seems to be asking some difficult questions of his fellow archaeologists although I have no idea what they think of him!.

I hope all this makes some sort of sense.

John   

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Other Countries / Re: Mauritius
« on: Tuesday 28 August 12 16:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi Alan,

I can't help very much as I didn't get any replies to my post and I dropped the topic as I drifted off to other things. However I have just done a search of RootsChat for Mauritius and there are quite a few previous posts on that country which may be helpful to you. I would suggest you search for Mauritius under "Common Room" and "Other Countries". Also, as you might  expect, there are a number of useful looking references on Google if you look for Mauritius Family History.

By the way if you are new to RootsChat don't be put off if you get a rather limp response to a query. This has happened to me a number of times but I have also had extremely useful discussions in this forum as well.

Hope you make progress.

John

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Re: Dennis and Doreen Haw Middlesbrough
« on: Thursday 05 July 12 16:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi Victoria,

Here are the Haw references:

The first is the record of a property transaction which reads:
"28 May 1771     Robert Smith of Hartburn yeoman took of the Lord one fourth part of a messuage situated in Hartburn - 20 April 1761 from Robert Thompson and Augustin Parkin to John Harrow of Hourston (Hartburn?) in the parish of Stockton yeoman
- and the other surrender bearing date 19 April 1763 from the said Robert Thompson to Robert Oakes and Thomas Haw In which Henry Mellanby of Stockton and his wife Mary - one of the four daughters of Robert Thompson late of Hartburn aforesaid deceased therein having right  ( she the said Mary being examined alone and not compelled by force or through fear of her said husband but of her own voluntary free will)"
This quotation is from the Natioanl Archives but the original is in Teesside Archives in Middlesbrough.

Next is a reference to shipbuilding in Stockton referring to the owner-operators of the shipyards:
"Mr. Humphrey was succeeded by one Stephenson, who continued the business till 1782, when it fell into the hands of Mr. Thomas Haw, Sen., who, from that time to 1800, built sixty-one vessels; the largest, the " Experiment," being 750 register tons.
Mr. Mellanby, Sen., next occupied the yard, and Mr.Thomas Haw, Jun., for some time carried on the ship-building"
I haven't looked into Haw genealogy but it is a fair guess that Thomas Haw Senior is the one involved in the property deal.
The Mellanby quoted above is William Mellanby. HIs son William Iley Mellanby also managed the yard at some stage.
I can't recall where I got this shipbuilding item from but there are some online historys of shipbuilding on the Tees if you wanted to pursue it.

I have a copy of the will of William Iley Mellanby, described as shipbuilder, who died in 1841. He quotes his daughter Mary Haw as one of the beneficiaries.
Mary Mellanby married Thomas Haw in 1808. Another assumption: this must be Thomas Junior?

By the way I have obtained a number of wills from the University of Durham and I notice that they have one for a Thomas Haw (amongst others) that you may wish to look into. I can give you a some more detail on getting wills if you wish.

Hope this is of interest.

John



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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Re: Dennis and Doreen Haw Middlesbrough
« on: Monday 02 July 12 12:30 BST (UK)  »
I have a few references to the Haws on Teesside. They had both family and business connections with my Mellanbys. The dates range between the mid-18th to mid-19th centuries. This might be a bit early for your present research but if you let me know I will pass on what I have.

John Mellanby

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