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Your sister's sons have inherited their father's Y-DNA, so a Y-DNA test for them wouldn't help with researching your father's line.  If your first cousin is your father's brother's son then their Y-DNA is from your father's line.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: 4th Cousin Twice Removed 75 cm result
« on: Wednesday 17 January 24 17:39 GMT (UK)  »
The mutual matches should give you an indication of whether the connection is up another line.

How many segments?

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One match I have 2nd-3rd cousin (246cM) I am pretty sure could be related to my grandfather, and I have contacted her and we don't yet know how we are related.

When I checked related matches to her, it came up with a bunch of 4th-6th cousin matches to  people that either have the surname McMullan/McMullen or have direct ancestors who share that surname so I assume that is a connection.

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I have on GEDMatch but not the other two. My mum and some of her relatives have on MyHeritage.

246cM is an excellent match - if you're a similar age then you could share gt-grandparents - it's a fairly typical amount for 2nd cousins to share.

I highly recommend you upload to FamilyTreeDNA and MyHeritage.  LivingDNA has a small database but I have found useful matches there that aren't anywhere else.

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Sorry - the two second cousins had a mutual GREAT-grandfather William, not grandfather.

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Someone did mention this briefly above - the next very important step would be to take a Y-DNA test with FTDNA.  I'm assuming you are male, Dave :-)
A small piece of DNA (completely separate from the DNA examined in your Ancestry test) is passed down from father to son, therefore normally following the paternal surname line.  The idea is that you will match several men with the same surname, possibly indicating the surname of your great-grandfather.  This is the theory, but it doesn't always work like that - as you can well understand, as you yourself did not take his name.
The cheapest Y-37 test would be perfectly adequate for this, to start with (if you upgrade later you just pay the difference).

For one branch of my tree Y-DNA would have been misleading.  We did find four men with the same surname - two in England, one in Canada and one in Australia, but it's a different surname to the name our family has been using.  We realise now that the family name changed about 6 generations ago, and we were using two surnames interchangeably for a couple of generations before that. 

Nevertheless, Y-DNA testing seems quite popular in men in North America whose patrilineal line is from Ireland (because it's often very difficult to  find records that make the jump across the Atlantic) and the matches are usually very enthusiastic.  We've also managed to find a missing grandfather and initially the closest matches on the unknown side were in North America and Ireland.  A bit of a breakthrough started when we were matching 2nd cousins with a mutual grandfather William born in 1820 in Ireland.  And we were all matching a woman with this surname whose ancestors arrived in Canada in the 1830s.  Still couldn't find how they connected to the mystery grandfather down in our part of the world though.  It was three years until the crucial match appeared - descended from the mystery grandfather's sister and we realised the grandfather's mother was a niece of William and had emigrated halfway around the world in the 1870s.

FamilyTreeDNA is rolling out Y-haplogroups for the Family Finder test - have you uploaded or tested there? 


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Have you uploaded your DNA to any other sites?  You may find useful matches at FamilyTreeDNA and MyHeritage.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Friern Barnet Lunatic Asylum, 1892
« on: Friday 25 August 23 22:38 BST (UK)  »
Order of Removal from St Pancras, 1883
Catherine Sarah Fox
- the said pauper is the lawful wife of John Fox now absent from her

In the London Poor Law Records on ancestry,
Camden/St Pancras/Settlement Papers/Settlement and Relief 1883
(images 262-5)

and again, images 357-359
To the Guardians of the Poor of St Giles in the Fields + St George Bloomsbury
Catherine Sarah Fox, 57, a Pauper Lunatic..

I had saved these to my ancestor but the links have changed.  I'm not certain Ancestry has these records any longer unfortunately.

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People related on just one segment can be from quite far back.  It's likely that all of these matches are triangulating with your cousin on the same single segments, and that A, their ancestor, had they tested would have shared around 32cM (the greatest amount your cousin shares with any of them).

Has your cousin uploaded their DNA anywhere else?  Some members of this family could be at other sites and this could help to narrow down how far back the relationship is.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Help with Working out DNA match
« on: Sunday 14 May 23 10:02 BST (UK)  »
It falls slightly outside the upper range for the relationship, so perhaps there's an additional relationship.

https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4

There's quite a few Facebook pages dedicated to genetic genealogy that you may find helpful.

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