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World War Two / Re: What happened to flight ED522??
« on: Friday 06 October 17 16:40 BST (UK)  »

World War Two / Re: What happened to flight ED522??
« on: Friday 06 October 17 16:33 BST (UK)  »
Sorry Colleen, the site doesn't allow me to open the pm you sent to get contact details. I found this site on a google search so too open to put any contact details on here. I think there is a rule about 3 posts before pm allowed. I will post again tomorrow and see if that works
Best wishes Karen

Hi Karen,

I totally forgot about the 3 post rule - sorry about that.

World War Two / Re: What happened to flight ED522??
« on: Thursday 05 October 17 19:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I have the original letters  sent to my Grandfather, Thomas C Constable, in 1943/44.  There is no detail as to exactly what happened to the flight. Only that it was a Lancaster and the crew were flying over Dusseldorf and where John was interred. The letters are fragile but I have scanned them in and happy to email them to interested parties. My Mum was John's youngest sister which is probably why she had the letters after Grandad died. I understood Bill was in the Paras. I remember him saying parachuting was why his knees were so bad.
Regards Karen

Hello Karen,

That would be amazing if you could send those letters! We have been to the Reichswald Forest Cemetery twice now to visit John's grave and I have photo's if you would like to see them.

I will pm you my email address on here.

Thank you so much!

Kind regards,


The Common Room / Re: Ship Muster Rolls
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 19:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi Westoe,

Firstly please don't apologise - I wasn't offended at all. In fairness, I am a beginner when it comes to this area!

From what I have read, there was only three negroes on board, but, of course like anything, we have to be skeptical about this information, although I have it on good authority that the muster roll for the Racehorse was correct, a few men were counted but fled at one port, so the first muster has 93 men, the second, 90.

I will check the link for the logs and thank you for your help!

Also, does anyone have any information on Lieutenant Michael Henry Pascal, particularly his movement prior to 1757?



The Common Room / Re: Ship Muster Rolls
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 09:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi MowseHowse,

Thanks for the reply. I did check your links so thanks for you help with that.

His name crops up a lot on the search because he has been studied quite extensively, however he never used his traditional African name on his expeditions; he used it later on and only to prove his 'African identity' when he was campaigning for abolition and to promote his book.
As such, any records for the ships he sailed on would have been in his 'slave name' of Gustavus Vassa, which he was given by his second master, Pascal.

Many thanks again for your help,


The Common Room / Re: Ship Muster Rolls
« on: Wednesday 10 May 17 19:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi Westoe,

I am researching the slave Olaudah Equiano for my University dissertation. He was given the name Gustavus Vassa and he claimed, and it is believed, that he was on board the Racehorse during its Arctic expedition, serving as an associate of Dr Charles Irving.
I am aware that there was a Gustavus Weston on board, who, like Vassa, was purported to have been born in South Carolina, and many academics believe this is Vassa, however despite searching Captain Phipps, and a boatswain's log, I can find nothing to suggest that this is the same man, other than a 'soundex' name. Moreover, there is no mention of Gustavus Weston being an associate - he is a ship's mate, and Charles Irvings associate is listed in Phipps log as an Alexander Gain.

I have also compared the accounts of all three men and there are many inconsistencies in Vassa's account, while the similarities are so similar it is evident that he has quoted Phipps verbatim.

I was hoping to provide evidence of the muster roll, but also to ascertain more info on Gustavus Weston, and to check if Vassa provided any other inconsistent, or plagiarised information on the Narum and the Charming Sally, which he also sailed on.

Thank you very much for the information you have provided so far, it has been a huge help. This is the first time in 14 years of Genealogy I have ever had to search for muster rolls and I am lost! x

The Common Room / Re: Ship Muster Rolls
« on: Wednesday 10 May 17 17:12 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all so much for your help and the links.

I will look through them all and hopefully will be able to gather the info I require, without the need for a huge search fee!

You are all wonderful x

The Common Room / Re: Ship Muster Rolls
« on: Tuesday 09 May 17 17:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi Rosie,

Thanks for that. The April - October roll is perfect, it is the Arctic expedition I am interested so that would cover that.

Huge thanks


The Common Room / Re: Ship Muster Rolls
« on: Tuesday 09 May 17 17:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi Rosie99,

The Namur's muster roll is located in ADM 52/662
The Racehorse is located in    ADM 52/1416

So far they can't find Charming Sally's.



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