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Ireland / Re: Origin of the name Keddy
« on: Thursday 25 May 17 03:08 BST (UK)  »
I'm going to go against the grain and suggest the name is, in fact, Irish.  A fair number of Catholics seem to have the name on the census.

It seems to just be a variant of Keady.  The spelling is no great obstacle.  I have seen a priest change the spelling of his own name in the parish register.  My G grandmother spelt her maiden name about four or five different ways.  I've seen vowells added and taken away from names. 

Anything with a Gaelic origin was certainly modified.  Sometimes this made Irish names the same as certain British names even though they had separate origins and probably originally sounded distinct from one another.  The more complicated townlands have many and diverse spellings.

One website gives its origin as Laois, which correct or not, is quite near enough to Wicklow.  Besides, many surnames are derived from personal names which could be found in more than one place,

Ireland / Re: Were Established Church Wardens Protestant?
« on: Friday 12 May 17 15:34 BST (UK)  »
It seems there was a rectory and glebe, but no church, or at least one that was not ruins.  So, it is still a strong possibility that he was a local man.

A very wild guess.  What I was thinking of is the cemetery.  A lot of old Catholic cemeteries were taken over by the CoI but continued to have Catholic burials as can sometimes be seen on graves which are marked "IHS."  Perhaps, John was involved in taking care of the cemetery or else farming the glebe.

Ireland / Re: Were Established Church Wardens Protestant?
« on: Friday 12 May 17 05:18 BST (UK)  »
Do you know what townland the Catholic John lived in and is it the same as the church's location or especially near?

Other than the townland, the only clue I can think of would be the CoI registers for that parish, that is, if they didn't burn up in 1922.

Ireland / Re: Successful pregnancy at age 50/51?
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 21:29 BST (UK)  »
Oldest female ancestor I can find was 43 when she had her last child.  Early 40s seems to be a common age.

It strikes me as being possible but very unlikely.  That is about the age of menopause, perhaps the same at that time?  But my understanding is that even many years before menopause, women become markedly less fertile.  Pair that with the idea that people often lived in crowded houses, and that is the basis for my theory.

Also,  I don't know how much of a factor it would be, but that would be before the Poor Unions were established.  Those were sometimes an outlet for illegitimate births, I believe.

Clare / Re: Constable Questions
« on: Thursday 20 April 17 00:28 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, so much, for answering my question.  I think that answers it pretty squarely!

Clare / Constable Questions
« on: Wednesday 19 April 17 19:54 BST (UK)  »
I was wondering if anyone knew if a man had to be literate to be a constable, and whether a man could be a  constable part time, and, for instance, have his occupation listed as something else, like laborer or fisherman?

The reason I ask is that there seem to have been at least two men with the name Timothy Sullivan in the Ennistymon/Liscannor area.  One, residing in Liscannor,  had several children with a Bridget Torpey, beginning in, as far as can be told (no marriage record), 1862.  5 out of 7 birth certs say laborer.  One in 1867 was not scanned in properly and is just a blank page.  On the last of his children's birth certs in 1877 it says "fisherman."

In 1878, there is a death cert that says "fish hawker", age 45, and Ennistymon.   The man was married, but the reporting party was the coroner.  I think this is probably the man who was married to Bridget Torpey, but I am not sure.

The constable seems to have lived some years afterward, being a complaining party or witness in the petty session records.  Every defendant Timothy Sullivan previous to 1878 lists Liscannor as the address.  Sometimes the constable was active in Liscannor, but his address is never given, and I do not know where he lived or if he had children.

Bridget Sullivan nee Torpey seems to have lived to at least 1922.  One of her daughters in America filed for a passport and travelled to Ireland, stating the reason was to visit her mother.  But, I'm not sure where the mother was on the 1901/1911 censuses.

Ireland / Re: Grandparents as Godparents in Early 1800s?
« on: Wednesday 12 April 17 04:29 BST (UK)  »
In one case,  a man who I presume married 17 years earlier than the father acted as sponsor.  I say "presume" because only the baptism records survive. The father had a brother born ten years after him.  It is technically possible this first man was also a brother, but I think it unlikely.

It is my belief that the sponsor was a great uncle, with respect to the baby.  He was also sponsor a second time, ten years later.  The father was 32 when married.  If this man was married at the same age he would have been 50 and 60 years old respectively.  Though, of course, he may have married younger.

Do you have the maiden name of the grandmother and does it match that of the female sponsor?  (some priests had different record-keeping practices) If not, I would presume no.  If it does match, I would be suspicious, if it is a common name, like "Bridget Sullivan."

Taking a godparent was a sort of survival strategy and I think naming grandparents would be sort of redundant, as they would presumably, if alive and capable, already feel some obligation towards the child.

Ireland / Re: Irish name question
« on: Friday 31 March 17 22:36 BST (UK)  »
I also believe it is "Carmel."

In a Catholic church one would expect any middle name to be derived from a saint and not be a family name.  Carmel is a bit odd because it is a location and one associated with a female saint, but, nevertheless, I think it is "CarmeL"

The Carmelite Order has old and widespread ties to Ireland.  No other short Catholic saint's name seems to begin "Ca" and end in "l."  Also, it wasn't just nuns, but men in the order as well.  Not to mention, "Carmel" was really the key word, with members of the order signing missives "Yours in Carmel."

Ireland / Re: How would you interpret this Tithe Applotment record?
« on: Saturday 25 March 17 18:00 GMT (UK)  »
That is a puzzle.

My guess (highly speculative) would be Mary is the sister-in-law of Pat, or in other words, the widow of Pat's brother.  The reason it does not say "Widow Sullivan" is that Pat's wife is still alive, and so the name differentiates against the future possible outcome of him dying, and there being two women on the same plot with the same "widow" label.  Or less thoughtfully, that it was just written differently than the McCormick entry, perhaps on a whim.  Maybe, one was known as "Mary" and one as "widow."

I am a bit reluctant to accept the brother/sister theory.  It is my thought that these double names on plots were usually brothers, or less frequently, cousins or uncles/newphews.  It is my belief that a sister living with a a brother would just not have her name written, especially if she was young and later going to be married.

I've certainly seen women of a late age listed in some head of household capacity, either on the census, or in legal matters, so perhaps mother/son is a possibility, but I would lean more to something starting with a brother/brother relationship.  In remote, sparsely populated townlands, you sometimes see three related males together on the Tithes, with a widow tossed among them by Griffith's.

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