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Kilkenny / Re: John Ryan born Ireland 1808ish-died in NZ in 1892
« on: Thursday 29 June 17 13:58 BST (UK)  »
Hi Grapo
Thanks so much for your information. You're a gem.  I'd appreciate any other information on John Ryan that you're willing to share. 
I wasn't sure whether George Ryan was John Ryan's brother or his son. When John Sandford died intestate in 1883, George Ryan was Esther Sandford (nee Ryan) witness in the Court proceedings.

Quote from: grapo on Thursday 29 June 17 06:57 BST (UK)
Hi Carolynn, first time on this site, but I hope I'm doing it right.
Just noticed your postings about John Ryan (my g-g-grandfather) and I can tell you quite a lot about him post his marriage to Catherine Hennessy. In answer to some of your musings, he did have 10 children. Those you missed out on are George, born 1830 and buried at Lyttleton cemetery, Catherine (Kate), born 1837 and Anthony, born 1840.
Catherine Hennessy was recorded in the St Patricks church records as being buried on January 6, 1846.
A couple of other points: they family came to NZ on the Sophia Pate, not the Sofia Pete, as recorded in Esther's newspaper obituary.
Also, over the years, John Ryan owned at least 15 ships, not just the three you list. I have a full list.
I have put together a longish piece on John Ryan's life, so let me know if you need more info.
Cheers

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Kilkenny / Re: John Ryan born Ireland 1808ish-died in NZ in 1892
« on: Wednesday 24 May 17 04:05 BST (UK)  »
Thanks so much Sinann.

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Kilkenny / Re: John Ryan born Ireland 1808ish-died in NZ in 1892
« on: Wednesday 24 May 17 00:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello there
Good idea with the house naming! Yes I've tried the passenger lists previously. All I have is information about where John Ryan and Catherine Hennessy lived which, according to their 1841 marriage certificate, is Kent Street, Sydney.  How I wish they'd held onto that piece of land it'd be worth a squillion now :-)
So many questions: When did John Ryan arrive in Australia? Why did he travel from Australia to New Zealand in 1841? Where did he get the money to buy or lease three ships in New Zealand?

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Kilkenny / Re: John Ryan born Ireland 1808ish-died in NZ in 1892
« on: Monday 22 May 17 23:29 BST (UK)  »
Unfortunately this is something I don't know. I only have his death certificate with 'Kilkenny, Ireland' on it. Even his death certificate is proving to be a mystery as it lists John Ryan as having 10 children. He had two daughters by Catherine, he raised his second wife's sons (both Irish born and they sometimes used his surname) and he had four children by his second wife but there still seem to be two children unaccounted for.
Quote from: Sinann on Monday 22 May 17 12:16 BST (UK)
Is he from Kilkenny town/city or County Kilkenny?
http://registers.nli.ie/

Start dates are different for each parish so depending on which he is from his Baptisim may or may not survive.
For example.
St.Canice's in Kilkenny city start 1768 but the parish of Tullaroan in County Kilkenny doesn't start until 1843.

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Kilkenny / Re: John Ryan born Ireland 1808ish-died in NZ in 1892
« on: Monday 22 May 17 23:20 BST (UK)  »
No luck on Trove though I had a terrific evening trawling through many of the Ryan's listed. There's some interesting reading there even though it appears the people involved are not related.

 
Quote from: Johnf04 on Monday 22 May 17 11:03 BST (UK)
Unfortunately, the Irish National Library site's Catholic records for Kilkenny only go back to the 1820s. Have you searched on Trove, to see if he is mentioned in Australian newspapers?

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Kilkenny / Re: John Ryan born Ireland 1808ish-died in NZ in 1892
« on: Monday 22 May 17 10:58 BST (UK)  »
He was Catholic.

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Kilkenny / Re: John Ryan born Ireland 1808ish-died in NZ in 1892
« on: Monday 22 May 17 06:59 BST (UK)  »
Hi John
I have his death certificate and the printout.  His place of birth is given as Kilkenny Ireland and his time in NZ as 50 years, he was 84 years old.  His mother is Catherine Ryan (nee Coleman) and his father is John Ryan who was a gardener.

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Kilkenny / John Ryan born Ireland 1808ish-died in NZ in 1892
« on: Monday 22 May 17 01:40 BST (UK)  »
Hello everyone.  I seem to have hit a bit of a wall with my search for my ancestor, a sea captain named John Ryan who was born in Kilkenny, Ireland in 1808-ish. He left Ireland but unfortunately I don't know when exactly. He went to Sydney, Australia.
In Sydney in 1841, Captain Ryan married Catherine Hennessey. He married Catherine on the same day that his younger daughter, Esther, was baptised. Catherine & John had two surviving children, Honora (born 1834) and Esther (born 1841). When Esther was only 6 weeks old they sailed from Sydney to New Zealand on the 'Sophia Pate'.  Catherine apparently died in NZ though I have been unable to find any record of her death which would have been between 1841 and 1848.  In NZ in 1848 Captain Ryan married Rose Ann Lennan (nee Conway) who was a widow and they went on to have at least 4 children.  Captain Ryan, who at various times owned the ships 'Esther', 'Bridget' and 'Ariel' died in Auckland NZ in May 1892. 
Does anyone have any suggestions of where to head next? Can I confirm where and when John Ryan was born? And what happened to Catherine? Its all a mystery, not helped of course by "John Ryan" being such a frequent name.  All tips are much appreciated.
Thanks.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: JOHN SANDFORD (1838
« on: Monday 22 May 17 01:02 BST (UK)  »
This is the wrong John San(d)ford unfortunately. I have John Squires Sanford's birth certificate from the 1950s when my father was researching. 
Quote from: Eyesee on Tuesday 16 May 17 08:28 BST (UK)
The Dorset PRs are on Ancestry. As well as John baptised at Bridport in 1839 there were a number of other children. Do any of these names repeat in John and Esther's children. Joseph Sanford married Ann Squires at Bridport in 1836.

Benjamin 1836
James 1837
John 1839
Ellen 1840
James 1843
George 1845
Thomas 1847

Ian C

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