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The Common Room / Re: Imogen Holst
« on: Wednesday 22 February 23 20:34 GMT (UK)  »
Perhaps you already know about this, but if you put the words "Imogen Holst biography" into a search engine you will find details of "The Holst Project" which looks like a very useful website for you to explore as, amongst other things, it has details of Imogen's biography.

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The Common Room / Re: Imogen Holst
« on: Wednesday 22 February 23 20:14 GMT (UK)  »
Two small bits of information which might help you:

In 1931 Imogen took charge of the music at Citizen House Arts and Education Centre in Bath. 

In 1942 she moved from Bath to Dartington Hall near Totnes in Devon and stayed there until 1951 then moved to Aldeburgh in 1952, which is where she died.

I would imagine that Imogen made frequent visits to Thaxted to see her widowed mother so could well have taught your relative, even if only intermittently.

Alternatively, to a young child such as your relative would have been at the time, the name Imogen was possibly unfamiliar and therefore easily confused with Mrs Holst's name of Isobel!

I wish you well with your searches, please post the results if they have a successful outcome!




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The Common Room / Re: Wrench/Kerrison marriage
« on: Tuesday 15 March 22 09:57 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for all these replies and I agree with you Dundee that the stories my well have become confused over time. Perhaps there were two disabled children in the Kerrison family, possibly some sort of inherited condition?  The "disabled child" that my cousin was told about was said to have died in childhood, which fits with Irene who died at age 15 but Evelyn lived until 27.

I don't think it's worth pursuing this further, interesting though it is, as the information we really needed was the exact addresses for Flo and Harry Wrench in 1939/MAR. We now know that Flo was living at 144 Hayles Buildings with her sister and brother-in-law, whose family had been living in various flats (but not 144) in Hayles Buildings since coming to London from Cornwall. We were hoping to clarify exactly what happened and who moved in with whom, when Grandma, Ruby's mother-in-law, died in 1920 aged 47, leaving several young children to be brought up by her oldest daughter who, by then, had married my father's older brother - a tangled web indeed.

Thank you again for all the information, which I'll pass on to my cousin, and thanks also for being  interested in my query and so willing to help.

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The Common Room / Re: Wrench/Kerrison marriage
« on: Monday 14 March 22 21:07 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much for all this information. 

I'm confused about Evelyn Joan as I'm not sure where she fits in, if anywhere, I don't think Flo was her mother.  Incidentally there seems to be some confusion about Flo herself, the G R O Indexes have her being named Edith Florence but she was married as Florence Edith and was always known as Flo.

The disabled girl was Irene Elizabeth Kerrison b 1920/MAR Islington; mmn Stribling.  Her parents were Flo's eldest brother Albert Henry b 1851 and his wife Elizabeth Bartley Stribling, there was also a son, (another Albert) born 1922.  During his war service Albert senior had lost a leg and been left in constant pain which he tried to alleviate by drinking heavily.  Elizabeth doesn't seem to be on the 1939 Register and there is a rumour that she just couldn't cope with everything and simply walked out on her family. 

From what we hear it sounds as though Flo took on responsibility for disabled Irene in addition to continuing to run her "corner shop".  Unsurprisingly this all proved too much and Flo is said to have asked her younger sister, plus her husband, to move to Gravesend to give help.  The younger sister was my cousin's mother, Ruby Alice, and we've been trying to establish the timings of these various matters.

We know that Flo and Harry Wrench were married in Southwark 1939/MAR but had arrived in Gravesend by National Registration Day later that year.  We have official paperwork (A.R.P. Training Certificate!) for my cousin's father, showing his address as Hayles Buildings in Southwark so we know Ruby and her husband were still in Southwark in 1939. 

So the first question is: had Flo and Harry been staying with Ruby when they got married in 1939.  The second question is: was Irene Elizabeth actually living with Ruby when she died - in Southwark 1935/SEP. My cousin has vivid memories of Flo and her little shop but has never heard even the slightest whisper of any children and I cannot find any children surname Wrench mmn Kerrison.

The information about Harry Wrench is interesting and I shall encourage my cousin to investigate further as I think he has the makings of a good genealogist and I'm sure he'll find it easier through having your input to help him!!

Thank you again for your help.
 


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The Common Room / Re: Wrench/Kerrison marriage
« on: Monday 14 March 22 09:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you CaroleW. I was trying to avoid buying a certificate and hoped that someone had access to a genealogy site, if there is one, that offers parish registers.  I know that priests often wrote additional comments in their registers and I thought there might have been one about Flo's previously unconventional lifestyle!

I cannot be sure which, of several candidates, is the correct Harry Wrench but a cousin (who remembers Flo) and I have taken Flo back a couple of generations in our efforts to untangle the details of her involvement in caring for her older brother's disabled daughter. 

Thank you for your interest.




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The Common Room / Wrench/Kerrison marriage
« on: Sunday 13 March 22 21:31 GMT (UK)  »
Harry Wrench and Florence Edith Kerrison were married in Southwark, 1939/MAR.  Please can anyone tell me where they were living at that time, and who their fathers were.   Thank you

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The Common Room / Re: Where was 5 year old Eva buried?
« on: Wednesday 19 January 22 20:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hello jonw65,  thank you so much for this information which is just what we hoped to find- and so quickly too!  Had she lived Eva would have been the aunt of my daughter-in-law's grandmother who was born in 1910 and given the name Eva in commemoration.  Many thanks again for your help .

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The Common Room / Where was 5 year old Eva buried?
« on: Wednesday 19 January 22 19:58 GMT (UK)  »
Eva Okill was born 1904/JUN, her parents were George Okill and Emma nee Downes and Eva was the last of their ten children.  Sadly Eva died on 24th November 1909 when the family were living at 128 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow.  We think it likely that Eva, whose family were Methodists, was buried in Queen's Road Cemetery, probably in the area designated for non-conformist use.  Can anyone confirm this, please.

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The Common Room / Re: Where was G Okill's shop?
« on: Sunday 28 November 21 12:24 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much for all this information which I will pass on to my daughter-in-law's father; his mother was the daughter of George's sister Charlotte, he's just started researching his family and I'm trying to help him as, in particular, he wants to visit relevant locations.  Incidentally George's birth was registered with his surname spelt as Oakhill.

The Okills aren't really anything to do with me directly but I did draw up a basic tree for them using the GRO Indexes and Familysearch;  I don't have subscriptions to any of the genealogy websites at present.  George had nine sisters and I'm told that the story of him vanishing has remained constant through more recent generations.  Charlotte's grand daughter, who lives in Australia, has looked for George without success and has written an account of her research which may be read at

https://dipnd.uk/compot/family/George Okill.doc · DOC file · Web view 

So ShaunJ; glencare; Jool; Girl Guide and MonicaL thank you all very much indeed for taking time to find all this information, I'm sure George's relatives will be more than grateful for, and very surprised by, all the true facts you have so kindly found for them.





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