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Dublin / Re: Williams in Dublin
« on: Sunday 12 March 23 18:39 GMT (UK) »
It looks like I'll just have to accept I'm at a brick wall. Maybe I'll come back to it in a year or and hope there are some more records online.
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Dublin / Williams in Dublin
« on: Saturday 11 March 23 11:49 GMT (UK) »
I've been trying to find some record of my great grandfather's birth for several years and each time I come up against a brick wall. I don't know if anyone on here can help please.
Here are the details.
His name was John Andrew Williams.
Birth 1840 or 1841 either in Dublin or in Cork
First marriage to Jane Gill on 3rd June 1871 age 30. Jane was 18.
Father's name William Williams. Occupation solicitor
John's occupation marine engineer
Place Newcastle.
Marriage was reported in the Carlisle Patriot. Father's name and occupation given as William Williams, Dublin solicitor.
Second marriage to Emma Gill on 7th May 1877
John's age 37, Emma's age 21
John's occupation engineer.
Widower
Father's name William Campbell Williams, occupation solicitor.
Place West Ham Essex.
English census information where the form was completed by someone else gives the birth place as Queenstown and as Cork. Later census information that John was likely to have given just says Ireland.
John Lived in Yarmouth in Norfolk later on in his life.
I have lots of information on his likely father Campbell William Williams and all of the family but I've never been able to find any sort of record that details his birth. I hoped there might be something in a newspaper or maybe in a Merchant Navy list since he was a seagoing engineer on the steamships.
It may be that I've done the best I can. I think any baptismal record would have been lost in the fire. Older siblings' records have survived. The family was not Catholic. I don't know if there are any siblings whose records have also been lost.
Here are the details.
His name was John Andrew Williams.
Birth 1840 or 1841 either in Dublin or in Cork
First marriage to Jane Gill on 3rd June 1871 age 30. Jane was 18.
Father's name William Williams. Occupation solicitor
John's occupation marine engineer
Place Newcastle.
Marriage was reported in the Carlisle Patriot. Father's name and occupation given as William Williams, Dublin solicitor.
Second marriage to Emma Gill on 7th May 1877
John's age 37, Emma's age 21
John's occupation engineer.
Widower
Father's name William Campbell Williams, occupation solicitor.
Place West Ham Essex.
English census information where the form was completed by someone else gives the birth place as Queenstown and as Cork. Later census information that John was likely to have given just says Ireland.
John Lived in Yarmouth in Norfolk later on in his life.
I have lots of information on his likely father Campbell William Williams and all of the family but I've never been able to find any sort of record that details his birth. I hoped there might be something in a newspaper or maybe in a Merchant Navy list since he was a seagoing engineer on the steamships.
It may be that I've done the best I can. I think any baptismal record would have been lost in the fire. Older siblings' records have survived. The family was not Catholic. I don't know if there are any siblings whose records have also been lost.
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Cumberland / Re: my surnames
« on: Tuesday 20 October 20 11:05 BST (UK) »
Not as far as I know. My John Gill moved to Carlisle where he worked as a cotton weaver. I don't know if the whole family moved to Carlisle or whether it was just him. His son William was my great great grandfather and his daughter Emma was my great grandmother.
The Gill family seem to have a lot of repeated names and parish records don't give a lot of information. People seem to have made whole family trees going back centuries but when you check their records they all differ significantly so I'm guessing there's a lot of copying going on with no real research.
The Gill family seem to have a lot of repeated names and parish records don't give a lot of information. People seem to have made whole family trees going back centuries but when you check their records they all differ significantly so I'm guessing there's a lot of copying going on with no real research.
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Cumberland / Re: my surnames
« on: Tuesday 20 October 20 08:05 BST (UK) »
My third great grandfather was John Gill, born in Alston in 1785. I'm having a lot of trouble trying to trace the family back further than this. I know his father was called John Gill but there are so many others with the same name it's hard to know which one would be my 4th great grandfather.
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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Marble bust photo of Robert Williams challenge
« on: Sunday 26 November 17 05:20 GMT (UK) »
That's different again. Amazing what you can do with these photos. Love it.
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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Marble bust photo of Robert Williams challenge
« on: Friday 24 November 17 16:06 GMT (UK) »
Wow, those are brilliant. I especially love the one with the proper clothes on. Fantastic. Thank you all.
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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Marble bust photo of Robert Williams challenge
« on: Thursday 23 November 17 21:09 GMT (UK) »
This is a photograph of a marble bust of one of my ancestors. As you can see there's a lot of light glancing off it. This is the only photo I have of any of my ancestors from that side of the family apart from my grandfather. I was wondering if anyone could give it a bit of colour and whether the whiskers could be removed so that I can get an idea of the shape of the face. It's a bit of a challenge but I'd be interested to see the result.
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The Common Room / Re: Marble busts
« on: Thursday 23 November 17 18:34 GMT (UK) »
The reason I want the image tidied up is because it has flashes of light glinting across it.
I have absolutely no photos of that side of the family except for a few of my grandfather. I can see the chin is similar but it's hard to tell with all those whiskers. My grandfather was clean shaven. There is also an aunt who had a similar nose. I would love to see just one photo pf one of my ancestors from Ireland but the marble bust is the nearest thing I've got.
The archivist at the RCSI took the photo for me but she could find no trace of any photos or a portrait. There are loads of oil paintings in the building and they are all catalogued.
You could look at Wikipedia to find out about busts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bust_(sculpture)
I have absolutely no photos of that side of the family except for a few of my grandfather. I can see the chin is similar but it's hard to tell with all those whiskers. My grandfather was clean shaven. There is also an aunt who had a similar nose. I would love to see just one photo pf one of my ancestors from Ireland but the marble bust is the nearest thing I've got.
The archivist at the RCSI took the photo for me but she could find no trace of any photos or a portrait. There are loads of oil paintings in the building and they are all catalogued.
You could look at Wikipedia to find out about busts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bust_(sculpture)
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The Common Room / Re: Marble busts
« on: Thursday 23 November 17 16:17 GMT (UK) »
Yes, it's Robert Carlisle Williams. He was president of the Royal College of Surgeons from 1856 to 1857. He was then elected to the GMC. In June 1860 he was in London where he delivered an important lecture. He finished the lecture and went back to his hotel room and there he collapsed and died. He was only 55 years old and it was a shock to everyone. A bust was commissioned after his death and it stands in the entrance hall of the RCSI in Dublin.
I don't have any family photos from Dublin at all. Most of my family on that side were barristers but my great grandfather broke with tradition and went off to England become an engineer. His sister went with him. My mother knew very little about her grandparents as they died before she was born. She had no idea they were so learned. It's a shame she isn't alive today to find out more of her family history. Up until recently I thought they were all tinkers.
What I've done is to send a copy of the photo to some students who do clever things with Photoshop. I've asked if they can tidy up the photo, remove the whiskers and cloak and make it look more lifelike. It should be interesting if they take up the challenge.
I don't have any family photos from Dublin at all. Most of my family on that side were barristers but my great grandfather broke with tradition and went off to England become an engineer. His sister went with him. My mother knew very little about her grandparents as they died before she was born. She had no idea they were so learned. It's a shame she isn't alive today to find out more of her family history. Up until recently I thought they were all tinkers.
What I've done is to send a copy of the photo to some students who do clever things with Photoshop. I've asked if they can tidy up the photo, remove the whiskers and cloak and make it look more lifelike. It should be interesting if they take up the challenge.