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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Sarah Sutton Witness name?
« on: Wednesday 17 April 19 13:50 BST (UK)  »
I've finally got round to getting Selina's death cert.
She is listed as 'Daughter of John Sutton, Labourer' died of Consumption, aged 28, 1839.
This is the exact same father Sarah lists and the same as all the other children of John and Elizabeth Sutton in Barlestone, leic.
The family look like this
John Sutton, Butcher married Elizabeth Pool in Barlestone by License. John is 43 and Elizabeth is 25. They marry 1810 Leicester/Barlestone. John was previously married to Elizabeth's cousin Hannah Pool.
John Sutton, Butcher becomes bankrupt in 1820 and after that is listed as a Labourer/Ag Lab on records.
Children are -
Selina Sutton, b.1811
Sarah Sutton, b.1814
William Sutton, b.1817
Sophia Sutton, b.1819
Elizabeth Sutton, b.1822
All children list their father as John Sutton, Labourer on their marriage certs and all list their birthplace as Barlestone on census. Apart from Selina but she is listed as Johns daughter on her death.

The first 3 children (Selina, Sarah and William) appear to not have been baptised or at least not as Anglicans.

The name is Selina is from the Pool side of the family. Elizabeths brother Richard Pool also has a daughter called Selina and Elizabeth also had a sister called Selina who died an infant. This name appears to have passed down the Pool and Fowkes line from Elizabeths 3rd Grt Grandmother Lady Selina Welby who was married to Sir Thomas Halford, 2nd Baronet of Wistow, Leic.

Regards, Thomas

Leicestershire / Re: Visitation of Leicestershire 1682/1683?
« on: Saturday 13 April 19 11:48 BST (UK)  »
I could always ask the College of Arms but even for a query they would most likely charge 300.

Leicestershire / Re: Visitation of Leicestershire 1682/1683?
« on: Saturday 13 April 19 11:46 BST (UK)  »
All I have seen referring to this visitation is, as quoted by another researcher 'The Leicestershire Visitation in 1682-83, printed by Nichols, the eighteenth century historian of Leicestershire parishes'
I didn't see this in the Antiquities of Leicestershire publications by Nichols, there are a few pedigrees listed in it but not a full visitation and seeing as it was recorded at Bosworth, this must have been a proper visitation not compiled by Nichols in the late 1700s

Leicestershire / Visitation of Leicestershire 1682/1683?
« on: Saturday 13 April 19 11:35 BST (UK)  »
I'm trying to trace this elusive visitation, that being the one of 1682/1683 Leicestershrie. The only visitation I have found and have known of is the Leicestershire Visitation of 1619.
I have seen various mentions of another visitation taken at Market Bosworth in 1682/1683 but have not found this anywhere.

I have seen it mentioned in the private publishing 'The Mounteney Family, A Miscellany compiled by R.H.Mounteney' where discussing the Leicestershire branch of the family and listing the pedigree cites 'From the visitations of 1619 and 1682 (the latter entered by William Mountney, at Market Bosworth, Sept 18th 1682)'
Ive seen Nichols Antiquities mention this visitation when refering to the pedigrees of the Bent family of Cosby and the Cotton family of Dadlington. I cannot find it anywhere, has anyone else seen or have knowledge of this visitation?

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Inventory 1587
« on: Tuesday 09 April 19 20:13 BST (UK)  »
Thank you very much for that link, That shall help me no end.
I have a quick query over the currency of Marks. I can see that 1 Mark is the equivalent of 13 shillings and 4 pence, could a set number of marks be calculated to pound, shilling, pence?

In 1544, I have an ancestor who purchases One messuage, four crofts and 113 acres of land for 55 silver marks. Would this be the equivalent of 36 pounds or thereabouts?

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Inventory 1587
« on: Tuesday 09 April 19 11:23 BST (UK)  »
Im not sure how correct these numbers are but I think they are thus?
I'm not sure what 'or' means at the end of some numbers?
4 Kyne (Cow?) , A bull calf and weaned calf at 9-10
2 Swine at 10 shillings
Five sheep at 25 shillings?
Nine stricks of barley at 30 shillings?
3 hens and 1 duck at 16 pence
A table and a forme? At 6 shillings and 8 pence
A cupboard at 5 shillings
For the iron? stuff in the house at 2 shillings 6 pence
For three peeles (Pails?) A barrel and tankerd at 18 pence
For a chair at 8 pence
A painted cloth at 20 pence
A pan, pot, kettle and candlestick at 23 shillings
Pewter and salt at 2 shillings
4 curtains? At 6 shillings
And 8 pence
A blanket at 6 shillings
A pillow and coverlett at 5 shillings and 8 pence
4 pairs of sheets, a towel and bord cloth (table cloth?) At 26 shillings
3 bedsteads at 3 shillings
Free money in his purse and apparel at 13 shillings and 4 pence
5 bordes? At 3 shillings and 4 pence
Wooden stuff in the kitchen at 6 shillings
A cart at 20 shillings
Sum total at 19 or 21 pounds? 15 shillings and 4 pence.

Thank you book box once again for a marvelous transcription, very much appreciated.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: John Dudley 1528
« on: Sunday 07 April 19 19:25 BST (UK)  »
Thank you very much for this, the swepston registers are very hit and miss in the 1500s. Trying to tie this John in with the Richard Dudley, Husbandman who dies 1587, possibly grandfather or father.

Thats could be the same, whatva great find.
Is there a database for those pleas? I'm trying to find as much info as I can on the swepstone Dudley's in 1500s as they are said to descend from the Dudleys who were lords of the manor of Clopton, Northamptonshire in the 1300s/1400s.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / John Dudley 1528
« on: Sunday 07 April 19 12:59 BST (UK)  »
Hoping for a transcription on this piece as ell. I've recently come across this and assume it to be the will of John Dudley of Swepstone, Leicestershire 1528.
Once again, I can catch and assume some parts but id like to have a better set of eyes and understanding of the script take a look.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Inventory 1587
« on: Sunday 07 April 19 12:52 BST (UK)  »
If anyone has the time, could they please transcribe this inventory and the respective amounts, Id be very grateful.
I can get a few bits but Id rather have someone who can read it better than I can, give me more a more accurate reading  :)
Inventory is of Richard Dudley of Swepstone, Leicestershire 1587.

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