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World War One / Re: William T Cosby b. 1878 Royal Engineers
« on: Sunday 09 December 18 21:18 GMT (UK)  »
Although the badge is overexposed it's still clear it's RE. The RA cap badge is quite distinctive & nothing like the RE.
You can ignore column 5 it's just office jargon. The theatre of war only appeared on the 14/15 Star roll.

That is great, thanks ever so much, I really appreciate all of you help with this thread.

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World War One / Re: William T Cosby b. 1878 Royal Engineers
« on: Sunday 09 December 18 20:32 GMT (UK)  »
Please could somebody tell me what column 5 shows? It is supposed to be the Theatre of War that William served in but I can't make it out.

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World War One / Re: William T Cosby b. 1878 Royal Engineers
« on: Sunday 09 December 18 19:39 GMT (UK)  »
The RE didn't pull guns they acted in the roles given above. It was the Royal Artillery that did everything gun related. They also had their own horses & the man in charge would have been an NCO not a Driver.
Horses were still the main source of transport up to 1914 so there were literally 1000's of men who had experience with them.

Ahh OK, thank you. It seems that there is some conflicting views in my family which don't quite stack up.
The information you have passed on is very clear and makes more sense. Thank you.
I am basing the fact that he was in the RE on the medal card for the only William Thomas I could find and from what his grandson told me. It is hard to discern anything from his hat badge as it is over exposed. Maybe he was in the artillery instead as they were quite specific about their story relating to him pulling guns around or maybe he helped out the Royal artillery if they were short (excuse my ignorance here if that kind of thing never happened!) ?
I can't find any other records for a William Thomas Cosby.
I am a bit lost if I am honest with you!
Thank you very much for all of your help.
Best wishes Emma

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World War One / Re: William T Cosby b. 1878 Royal Engineers
« on: Saturday 08 December 18 21:24 GMT (UK)  »
About all can glean from the photo is that he's wearing the 1908 pattern tunic. This was modified at the end of 1915 & replaced with the economy tunic & this is the one men wore who went in after 1916. So although your man didn't go overseas before 1916 he was a volunteer & not a conscript.
The photo was probably taken in the UK (no bandolier or war saddle) prior to embarkation.

Sorry please could I ask you another question?

My great great uncle who knew William has just told me the only things he knew about William's service:

" The word I had was that due to his
experience with horses, he was put in charge of the stable area where
the horses were used to tow the guns to the front, one of his jobs was
to tow the gun up, do a 180deg to allow the gun to face the enemy lines,
unhook the horse and return to the stable area.

Mum (Ethel) did tell me that one of the things that got him in trouble
was running a crown and anchor game behind the lines and cleaning
everyone out!"

So given what he was doing do you think he might have been in one of the following RE divisions (if they existed as I am just guessing here): field division, artillery division or maybe even the cavalry?

Best wishes Emma

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Bedfordshire / Re: Anyone researching Cosby/Pratt in Leighton Buzzard
« on: Saturday 08 December 18 20:29 GMT (UK)  »
I am researching the names Cosby and Pratt in Leighton Buzzard.

Hi,
I can confirm that we have several Cosby/Pratt marriages and Cosby/Parrott marriages too, it seems like members from all of these families lived near one another too.
If you use ancestry send a message to emjsw01 and I will invite you to view my tree
:)

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World War One / Re: William T Cosby b. 1878 Royal Engineers
« on: Saturday 08 December 18 20:24 GMT (UK)  »
About all can glean from the photo is that he's wearing the 1908 pattern tunic. This was modified at the end of 1915 & replaced with the economy tunic & this is the one men wore who went in after 1916. So although your man didn't go overseas before 1916 he was a volunteer & not a conscript.
The photo was probably taken in the UK (no bandolier or war saddle) prior to embarkation.

Hi there,

That is really interesting and all new information, we didn't realise he was a volunteer, he was in his late 30s and had a wife and children at this time.

Thanks ever so much for sharing your expertise with me.

Best wishes Emma

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World War One / Re: William T Cosby b. 1878 Royal Engineers
« on: Saturday 08 December 18 13:23 GMT (UK)  »
I tried to re attach the photo and my phone is having none of it so here is a link to an old post where I was trying to find his regiment!

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=787781.msg6432122#msg6432122

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World War One / Re: William T Cosby b. 1878 Royal Engineers
« on: Saturday 08 December 18 13:08 GMT (UK)  »
Would posting the photo help? Might that give the experts more clues? That is just a question as I have no background in this area, just enjoy following the queries and trying to learn a bit. I also enjoy looking at the photos and reading what can be deduced from them so have to admit I may have a sort of ulterior motive.

Hi there,
Thanks for the suggestion, I will try posting one now.
Best wishes Em

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World War One / Re: William T Cosby b. 1878 Royal Engineers
« on: Friday 07 December 18 23:14 GMT (UK)  »
The RE was split into many parts specialising in various skills required to assist the war effort.
Signals, tunnelling, agriculture, roads, railways, docks etc. but the largest by far were the Field Companies who operated at Divisional level meaning that each Division had at least 1 Field Coy.
There's no way of knowing from his number which branch or Field Coy. he belonged to only his service record will tell you that & as you say it unfortunately didn't survive the Blitz.
There's an outside chance that the 1918 Absent Voter's list might give those details should that have survived & you knew where he was living at the time.
As to the story one would have to assume that the civilian survived or he would have been tried for murder & executed. A trial of such seriousness would have gone before a GCM or FGCM.
All surviving (F)GCM records are held by the National Archive under WO 71.

Hi there,
Thank you very much for explaining how the RE was divided up. He was a driver and in his army picture he is on a horse so perhaps he worked on getting equipment to where it was needed?
It is so sad that the records have been lost. Sadly he wasn't on the absent voter's list but thanks so much as I hadn't thought of looking there (and I didn't know about it!).
Thanks for giving me a clue as to what sort of court martial he might have had. All he told my nan was that after he was in alot of bother!
I searched WO 71 on the national archives but sadly nothing came up. Thanks also for this lead though as at least I am eliminating sources.

Thanks for taking the time to reply to me.

Best wishes Emma

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