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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: John Keates
« on: Wednesday 07 February 18 20:40 GMT (UK)  »
A big thank you to all trying to help me find John Keates, I am still struggling.
The only info I have is on his marriage certificate, age about 30, labourer, living in Ilkeston, father James. The bride was heavily pregnant at the wedding (January 1872) because daughter Annie Mary Keates was born Mansfield in March quarter 1872, baptised 1873 Whaley Thorns, Derbyshire. Next child, James born1874 Mansfield. Daughter Sarah born 1877 Leeds, Yorkshire, daughter Elizabeth born 1881 March quarter apparently in Mansfield Union Workhouse, no sign of John Keates though. Son Arthur born 1883 Belper Derbyshire. No sign of John Keates found as yet.
The bride Elizabeth Keates b1850 Hucknall Nottinghamshire then re-married in 1884 in Derby.
The family seems to have moved around a lot!
I have tonight found a John Keyte born 1846 Shardlow Derbyshire, might try to trace him. The above information is just for your interest. This is the hardest person in my husband's tree to find. Happy days, and thanks once again.

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: John Keates
« on: Monday 05 February 18 20:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Willow,
I have looked up John Keys b1842 Basford Nottinghamshire and it would appear that he also dies in 1842! Unless I have not found the same John Keys as you. Thanks for your help, much appreciated.

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: John Keates
« on: Saturday 27 January 18 19:31 GMT (UK)  »
You have probably got the correct Hawkins, mine was me grabbing at straws in desperation. The marriage certificate shows Mary Overton Hawkins as one of the witnesses. I could not understand how a labourer would have a grocer and his wife as witnesses if there was no family connection!
Thank you for the help re:- 1871 census, I will investigate. Hopefully it will point me in the correct direction.

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: John Keates
« on: Saturday 27 January 18 18:57 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the information regarding Matthew Hawkins. I am struggling to even find him on the 1871 census, believe I may have found his wife Mary shown as residing Alfreton Belper Derbyshire. I think another subscription to Ancestry is needed! Have you used Find My Past for your research, I wondered if that is as good or better than Ancestry? Your comments would be appreciated. Many thanks.

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: John Keates
« on: Saturday 27 January 18 15:41 GMT (UK)  »
Both bride and groom shown as living in Ilkeston (no address).
Witnesses Matthew and Mary Overton Hawkins.
I am looking for wedding of Matthew and Mary to see if there is a maiden surname of Keates, so far no success. They were grocers living in Ilkeston in 1871.
So far, Ilkeston seems to be the only connection between witnesses and bride and groom. It is a great mystery.

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: John Keates
« on: Saturday 27 January 18 14:19 GMT (UK)  »
The witnesses are a married couple, surname appears to be unrelated to either bride or groom! I could try to find their marriage, the maiden name of the lady might be "Keates" - a long shot but you never know what might turn up.

It is so frustrating, John  Keates must be on the census somewhere. Thanks for your help.

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: John Keates
« on: Saturday 27 January 18 13:50 GMT (UK)  »
Father and son both shown as labourers on wedding certificate.

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / John Keates
« on: Saturday 27 January 18 13:38 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking for John Keates. He married Elizabeth Ann Hibbard Caudwell in January 1872 in Ilkeston, Derbyshire. He was shown as age 30. His father was James Keates. I cannot find the Keates -father or son in the census of 1841, 1851, 1861 or 1871. Elizabeth his wife was in Mansfield Union Workhouse with the children in 1881, she later married Charles Goodwin by 1891. Help desperately needed please.

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