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South Africa / Re: Ancestors death in South Africa
« on: Saturday 02 February 19 23:37 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks very much Shirley, I really appreciate you looking that up.

There was always rumours that there was an accidental death involving horses in this line of the family, thats been a great help, it's now obvious it wasn't Alfred as we have his cause of death.

This also lists Alfred's occupation as Cook so most likely the records relating to the Alfred Gretton in South African police aren't his.

Thanks again


South Africa / Re: Ancestors death in South Africa
« on: Saturday 12 January 19 17:11 GMT (UK)  »
Yes that was him on the Iona, he was born in Edinburgh, Scotland in 1876, the Iona was leaving there at the time of the fire and was heading for England.

He also served during the occupation of Crete in 1898 before the Boer war.

His father Joseph Gretton was a police Constable/Sergeant in Edinburgh at the time so the record you suggested could well be him.

South Africa / Re: Ancestors death in South Africa
« on: Saturday 12 January 19 08:33 GMT (UK)  »
I have a copy of his service papers, an uncle of mine still has at least one of his medals, his service number is 5659, Alfred served with the Highland light infantry.

South Africa / Re: Ancestors death in South Africa
« on: Friday 11 January 19 10:33 GMT (UK)  »
That's excellent thanks, I did visit the archives already however I must have Been doing something wrong as I couldn't find anything, it's not the easiest site to navigate so your walk through is much appreciated.

Thanks again.


South Africa / Ancestors death in South Africa
« on: Friday 11 January 19 02:18 GMT (UK)  »
I have just found a death notice for my Great grandmother's brother Alfred Gretton in Reitfontein, Gauteng (I assume this might be the district within Pretoria) to me the document reads at "Chronic Sick Home" on the 7th October 1907.

I assume he stayed in SA after serving through the 2nd Boer war.
How might I go about finding the cause of death or any other information on him being there from the end of the war until the time of his death?.

Kind regards


Looks like a typical rubbish Ancestry transcription because
your extract above doesn't list whose stepdaughter Frances was, and it inserts a name variant (Fanny) that doesn't appear in the original.

Alexander Sangster 41 Farmer New Deer
Mary 32 Tyrie
Andrew 2 New Deer
FANNY SCOTT step dau 12 ? Jamaica
Mary DUNCAN 17 Tyrie general servant

The info. I typed was from the original census from public tree

Nov 2012
Ellon Library Census records
New Deer , Scottish census 1851

Had a look again and have typed the full info. from the census - perhaps if you or alasdair are able to do so you could take a look and double check the info. I've copied

parish of New Deer District of ?ford (can't make it out)
48 Alexander Sangster Head M 41 Farmer of 24 Acres Aberdeenshire New Deer
    Mary ditto wife 32 Farmers wife ditto Tyrie
    Andrew son 2 ditto son ditto New Deer
    Fanny Scott stepdau 12 farmers step-dau emp. at home N?I? Jamiaca
    Mary Duncan servant 17 general servant Aberdeenshire Tyrie

I think I'm still just as puzzled, I can't figure out the Scotts, Sangsters and Duncan's are to Ann Innes.

I understand Alexander Scott married a Mary Innes but from previous posts it would appear she would be too young to be the sister of Ann Innes i.e, born 1817 instead of the Mary Innes Born to Robert Innes and Isabel Duncan who was born in 1808.

I popped to the archives today and had a quick scan through the Kirk session minutes, sadly there was none for any meetings pre 1853....... damned if I know what to do now, I read online that the church in New Pitsligo was built in top of the old one in 1853, do you think it likely that any attendees would have travelled or moved to a successionist church while this was being rebuilt?, travel out with to attend Resulting in records being kept at an adjoining parish?.

I had a quick look in the KSM for Deer, although very interesting I couldn't find anything, plenty of information regarding a long on going charge against a Dr Lockhart who couldn't keep his paws of his servants whenever his wife was away or whenever the whisky was in!, these case records seemed to dominate the minutes throughout.

New Pitsligo KSM did however have an entry for a couple of illigitamate children between Duncan's and Emsley's, 1st was on 3rd Sept 1854 a twice ignored summons to appear by a James Duncan who later refused to acknowledge the charge raised by Isabel Emsley.

2nd being the acknowledgement of an illigitamate child by a William Emsley to a charge raised by Mary Duncan.

On 9th Aug 1867 another similar charge involving a Jane Will and a William Barry from 16 years earlier (1851)

On 3rd May 1863 again similar charge involving an Isabella Will and a William Smith from 8 years previous to charge (1855), apparently William Smith having left the county before birth never to be heard of again.

I may have a look for these later 'Will' girls in the hope this might throw up some clues but I'm struggling understanding how to find the connections or maybe I'm just too short sighted or experienced to see the relevance.

Thank you both very much for all your help.

I had typed out a reply but never hit the post button, when I went back to rootchat I saw you had already looked it up, I had tried to locate Mary and Frances also to see if there were any clues.

Ancestry transcription for that 1841 census states born in "foriegn parts" for Frances Scott (could this Frances Scott be Female?, the spelling in the transcription is Female, if so there is a Frances Scott born Jamaica in the 1861 cencus in New Deer, possibly just complicating things for myself now though).

Name:Frances Scott [Fanny Scott] 
Estimated birth year:abt 1839
Where born:Jamaica
Registration Number:225
Civil Parish:New Deer
Occupation:Dom Serv

 Elizabeth Sangster  7
 Jessie Sangster  1
 Frances Scott  22
 Alexander Reid  2
No adults?

I have so far opted to take the line of least resistance and work on the family tree (1855+) sections or other branches which are more obvious and easier to work out but Alexander's birth date has been bugging me for a while trip to Aberdeen or Edinburgh it is!.

I did have a quick search online to work out how to search through the Kirk session minutes and for other advice on locating further information, one page recorded there are only minutes from 1853 onwards for the Kirk in New Pitsligo although there were various other church records available for before 1853, another site stated that the church was rebuilt in 1853, if this was the case the Kirk might not be up and running, is it possible that some locals would have travelled else where or attended another Church?.

I'm sure I read that Alexander was an Elder in the Church in either Rogart or Bonar, is it possible these might hold any other details?.

Thanks again

World War One / Re: WW1 uniform
« on: Saturday 24 February 18 04:28 GMT (UK)  »
Possibly 6th Black Watch/Royal Highlanders?

World War One / Re: Alexander Dawson MM
« on: Saturday 24 February 18 04:14 GMT (UK)  »
London Gazette - Publication date:25 June 1918 Supplement:30768Page:7589

351626 Pte. A. Dawson, R. Scots (Airdrie).

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