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England / Re: Huc usque
« on: Wednesday 12 September 18 14:43 BST (UK)  »
I wondered if the phrase has been added to the transcription by the transcriber to show how far he has got in the transcription process, but in the original entry the phrase is just about discernable, so that's my theory shot down in flames :) The phrase could be associated with the burial on the next line, but I think that still begs the question, what does "huc usque" actually mean in the context of parish register entries?  GENUKI's section on  Latin usage in parish registers has no reference to it.

England / Re: Huc usque
« on: Wednesday 12 September 18 12:28 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Kay. I must admit I hadn't looked at FindMyPast, the image I was looking at was from Ancestry via familysearch.

I wonder if the phrase has been added to the transcription by the transcriber to show how far he has got in the transcription process?

England / Huc usque
« on: Wednesday 12 September 18 11:52 BST (UK)  »
I came across this phrase, huc usque,  on the image of a baptism for one Joseph, son on Cleer Sewell and his wife Mary on July 2nd 1725 in Ketteringham, Norfolk. It appears to mean either "hitherto", or "thus far", but my poor brain can't seem to fathom the relevence of the comment in the context in which it occurs.

The image is clearly a transcript, probably of a Bishop's Transcript, although the source reference does not offer any clarification. There does not appear to be any similar instances of this phrase on any other baptisms for Cleer and Mary Sewell. However, this is the only entry relaring to them to contain the date of birth (that I've found so far), the rest give only the baptism date. Other entries also give date of birth and baptism, but do not have the huc usque phrase applied to them.

Can anyone offer any further enlightnment?

Huntingdonshire / Re: Baptisms in Somersham
« on: Sunday 27 May 18 19:57 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Annette

Since posting my original message I've found the IGI batches for Chatteris on the Archersoft site, but sadly with no real result, and a trip to Huntingdon isn't on, at least for the forseeable future :( . Then, they could be non-conformists -  hadn't considered that  :'( Oy Vay, just another brick wall to overcome.

Huntingdonshire / Baptisms in Somersham
« on: Saturday 26 May 18 22:34 BST (UK)  »
I have a Samuel Brown (c1796 - 1853) who appears to have lived in Chatteris for most of his life, but has children whose birthplaces are given variously as Somersham, Chatteris, and one as Huntingdon in different census returns. I'm struggling to find any online parish register entries for Somersham to see if any childen were baptised there. If they weren't baptised there, where might they have been? I know Chatteris is very close to Somersham, but I'm also having problems tracking down PRs for Chatteris as well. The family also seem to have links with Chesterton.

On 9 April 1834 in Chatteris, Samuel married Louisa Sewell (3/5/1812 - 7/2/1890), who was baptised in Chatteris on 11/3/1813. They seem possibly to have had 13 children between 1835 and 1851. GRO birth entries with SEWELL as mother's maiden name have been found where shown.

Frances Ann 1835, Somersham; Birth year calculated from census records
Louisa 1836, Somersham; Birth date calculated from 1841 census (HO107; Piece: 449; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Somersham; County: Huntingdonshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 28; Page: 20; Line: 4. Frances and Sarah appear in the same entry. The relationship to the head of household is not clear, and born in the county foir all three is given as no, possibly indicating that Somersham was not their birthplace.)
Sarah 1837, Somersham; GRO Reference: 1837  S Quarter in ST IVES  Volume 14  Page 147
Samuel 1839, Huntingdon; GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD UNION  Volume 14  Page 118
Emma 1840, Chatteris; No birth GRO entry yet found
Julia 1841, Chatteris; No birth GRO entry yet found
Henry 1842, Somersham; No birth GRO entry yet found
Alice 1845, Chatteris; No birth GRO entry yet found
John 1848, Chatteris; 1846  M Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD UNION  Volume 14  Page 129, presumed to have died on or before 1849
Mary 1847, Chatteris; 1847  M Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD UNION  Volume 14  Page 137, died - 1874
Thomas 1848, Chatteris presumed died same year; 1848  S Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD UNION  Volume 14  Page 129
John 1849, Chatteris; 1849  D Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD UNION  Volume 14  Page 119
Thomas 1851, Chatteris; 1851  M Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD UNION  Volume 14  Page 143

I'd like to try and find baptisms for these children to confirm that I have the correct parents before starting to buy certificates. Where's the best place to look? I've tried Ancestry, FindMyPast and Familysearch, but starting to run out of ideas :(

Australia / Re: Suspicious death
« on: Monday 21 May 18 20:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi majm

Yes, I've been given lots of information, which I have beavering away following up, and in the process, discovering the Brown family in the UK, not in Bedfordshire as the obituary for Samuel Brown suggests, or Huntingdon as stated on his death registration, but Cambridgeshire.

I had already discovered the passenger lists with Honora and Anastasia Hanlon on them:

1864 NSW Immigration record: Honora and Anastasia Hanlon.
The transcript of the records is as follows:

Certificate Numbers:   1913, 1914
Deposit Number:      1307
Name of Depositor:      Redmond Hanlon
Date of deposit:      January 19 (1864)

Despription of person for whose benefit the remittance is made:

Christian name and surname at full length:      Honora Hanlon,         Anastasia Hanlon
Age:                  19,            17
Whether husband or wife resident in the colony:
Trade or calling:               Servant,            Servant
Whether living in Great Britain or Ireland:      Gowring, Co Kilkenny, Ireland
Name and Address of some person of note
to whom reference can be made respecting
the Immigrants:               Parish Priest, "Gowring"
Proportion to be applied to the passage:      4/0/0            4/0/0
Proportion to be applied towards Outfit:
Total:                  4/0/0            4/0/0
Irish:                  2
Remarks:                  "Morning Star"

Honora and Anastasia are both listed on the passenger manifest of the Morning Star, arriving on 3 September 1864, although the ages do not tally: Honora is listed as being 27, and Anastasia as 19. Both are listed as Laundresses from Garren, Kilkenny, both are Roman Catholic, and both can read and write.

Anastasia possibly never married. There is a burial recorded for an Anastasia Hanlon, who died on 4 July 1888 aged 44 and is buried at the Rookwood Catholic Cemetery, Rookwood, Auburn City, NSW, Plot: Section M1, Row F, Plot 452.

From Honora's death registration I know that her father's name was Martin, but that's the limit of the information. Her sponsor, if the immigration records refer to her, was a Redmond Hanlon, but I have no further information about him.

I don't yet have a full transcription for Honora's marriage to Samuel, so I suppose that's the next step. A transcript for Anastasia's death might also be illuminating.

Clearly, in Honora's case, there's still a lot to do discover her roots!

Australia / Re: NSW CD-ROM
« on: Sunday 20 May 18 13:31 BST (UK)  »
Thank you 😊

Australia / Re: NSW CD-ROM
« on: Sunday 20 May 18 13:07 BST (UK)  »
Samuel Brown, died 14 Nov 1889 in Bolivia, NSW. A notice about probate appeals in the Gazette on 25 Nov.

Australia / Re: NSW CD-ROM
« on: Sunday 20 May 18 11:37 BST (UK)  »
Samuel left a will. Can I get hold of a copy? If so from where/how?

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