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Essex / Re: William Hollingsworth marriage
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 15:58 BST (UK)  »
Have you discounted this death
Deaths Dec 1913 
Charles Hollingsworth    age 65   
Bromley    2a   622   

with this probate to Henry Elam, Frederick Albert & Thomas Edwin Hollingsworth
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=hollingsworth&yearOfDeath=1913&page=2#calendar

Hadn't even seen that one before! Wow, thanks rosie99

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Essex / Re: William Hollingsworth marriage
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 15:45 BST (UK)  »
That's what I was just thinking. The fun now is to find Charles' death and his parents marriage just to round it all out. Thanks again for the help. I'd been going round in circles for days  ??? ???

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Essex / Re: William Hollingsworth marriage
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 15:37 BST (UK)  »
Cheers avm228, I'll keep on that track now, don't know why there had to be so many of them in the 1800's!!!

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Essex / Re: William Hollingsworth marriage
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 15:26 BST (UK)  »
Have you looked at the next-door neighbour in the 1891 census: George Hollingsworth, 39, carman, born Thaxted?  Perhaps this is Charles' brother?

RG12/633/83/31.

No, hadn't looked at that, but it's very likely to be a relative of some sort, there seem to be loads of Hollingsworth's in that area at the time

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Essex / Re: William Hollingsworth marriage
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 15:25 BST (UK)  »
Thank you avm228, I guess I'll have to keep looking for his parents now then, seeing as that's what I was asking about in the first place. I think my wording may have been a bit confusing in the original post.

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Essex / Re: William Hollingsworth marriage
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 14:12 BST (UK)  »
No, wrong ones. Charles’ mother maiden name is Collin/Collen and father’s name is William

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Essex / Re: William Hollingsworth marriage
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 14:00 BST (UK)  »
OK - Clara Annie Hollingworth nee Cork died in 1885.

Charles and the children were in Farnborough by 1891 - still there in 1901.

Perhaps his death can be found in that area?

That's where I've been looking for him, but I still can't find his parents, they're the ones I really need

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Essex / Re: William Hollingsworth marriage
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 13:52 BST (UK)  »
Sybil's mother's maiden name was Owen.

Thomas Edwin b 1884 Bromley - married to Nellie P Owen - had mother's maiden name Cork.

So we are back to the Charles and Clara nee Cork who married in 1869.

In that case the 1939 Bromley death with executor Elsie Fredeswede is wrong, but you've been provided with good stuff upthread about the Charles who married Clara Cork.  You'll need to look at finding a new death date for him.

This is driving me completely nuts!!! I don't know what ones are right and wrong any more, my brain feels like it's exploding lol

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Essex / Re: William Hollingsworth marriage
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 13:44 BST (UK)  »
If Elsie Fredeswede is in your friend's correct line, then you need to look at the details of her parents Charles and Elizabeth (nee Bickerton), and scratch anything to do with rival couple Charles & Clara (nee Cork).

As I mentioned early in the thread, it seems to me likely that the correct Charles is traceable through the censuses to father Charles who was married to a Rebecca (per 1871). But you would need the 1880 record of the marriage to Elizabeth Bickerton to confirm his paternal details.

Ok, going down a couple of generations, we have definite proof that Constance Evelyn(1914-2004), Sybil Muriel (1912-1990) and Charles William (1909-1909) are my friend's grandmother (Sybil) and Constance and Charles William are Great aunt and uncle, if we work backwards from them, I have Thomas Edwin (1884-1949) and his wife was Nellie Pilbrow Owen (1883-1947) as their parents. Beyond that, if it isn't the Charles I found, can any of you point to which one it could be so I get that branch of the tree right?

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