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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: LOOK UP REQUEST PLEASE, C May to Alfred Byles and Catherine Byles to Gregerson
« on: Friday 01 June 18 23:25 BST (UK) »
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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: LOOK UP REQUEST PLEASE, C May to Alfred Byles and Catherine Byles to Gregerson
« on: Friday 01 June 18 22:11 BST (UK) »
Dear Louisa Maud,
As you have stated here that you have seen the death certificate for Niels Gregersen, with my great grandfather, Francis May as informant, I would be very glad to have a scan or page reference for it as I have been unable to trace the death of Niels Gregersen through Ancestry.com
"I would never have made the connection except I have a death cert here for Mr Gregerson, informant Francis May, father in law of Frith Road Leyton"
Best regards
Umbrageous
As you have stated here that you have seen the death certificate for Niels Gregersen, with my great grandfather, Francis May as informant, I would be very glad to have a scan or page reference for it as I have been unable to trace the death of Niels Gregersen through Ancestry.com
"I would never have made the connection except I have a death cert here for Mr Gregerson, informant Francis May, father in law of Frith Road Leyton"
Best regards
Umbrageous
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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: LOOK UP REQUEST PLEASE, C May to Alfred Byles and Catherine Byles to Gregerson
« on: Wednesday 23 May 18 09:17 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your sympathy, Louisa Maud. It is clear that the registering of births marriages and deaths was carelessly organised and continues so to be.
I should be delighted to learn the details of the death of Gottfried Haslebacher or Haslebacker, should they ever be revealed.
I should be delighted to learn the details of the death of Gottfried Haslebacher or Haslebacker, should they ever be revealed.
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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: LOOK UP REQUEST PLEASE, C May to Alfred Byles and Catherine Byles to Gregerson
« on: Wednesday 23 May 18 08:37 BST (UK) »
Catherine Edith Ellen May was my grandmother. Her daughter, Ivy May was my mother, born in 1910 with no listed father. In those days illegitimacy carried a stigma borne by the entire family. Women could be sent to mental institutions as it was considered that any female who took such a risk as intimacy without marriage had to be insane. Catherine was supported by her parents until her mother died in June 1917. Both Catherine and her father met partners and married on the same day September 9th 1917.
Niels Gregersen married my grandmother in 1923 after her tragic encounter with Alfred Byles. My mother was thirteen at the time and told me of hearing Niels nagging her mother, downstairs, from her room, in the evening. He was a heavy drinker and left for some years. My grandmother took him in when he was ill in 1927 and he died of peritonitis complications.
When my grandmother applied for a widows' pension a private detective turned up and told her he had a living wife and she was ineligible. From information gleaned from these pages it seems that his living wife may have had a living husband at the time my grandmother married Niels Gregersen.
I should be interested to know the details of the death of Gottfried Haslebacher first husband of Elisabeth Haslebacher as the injustice of my grandmother's being refused the pension shows how flawed the entire system of the recording of births,marriages and deaths is, in the UK.
Niels Gregersen married my grandmother in 1923 after her tragic encounter with Alfred Byles. My mother was thirteen at the time and told me of hearing Niels nagging her mother, downstairs, from her room, in the evening. He was a heavy drinker and left for some years. My grandmother took him in when he was ill in 1927 and he died of peritonitis complications.
When my grandmother applied for a widows' pension a private detective turned up and told her he had a living wife and she was ineligible. From information gleaned from these pages it seems that his living wife may have had a living husband at the time my grandmother married Niels Gregersen.
I should be interested to know the details of the death of Gottfried Haslebacher first husband of Elisabeth Haslebacher as the injustice of my grandmother's being refused the pension shows how flawed the entire system of the recording of births,marriages and deaths is, in the UK.
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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: LOOK UP REQUEST PLEASE, C May to Alfred Byles and Catherine Byles to Gregerson
« on: Saturday 19 May 18 14:13 BST (UK) »
In response to your wish to trace the connection between Catherine Edith Ellen May and Albert or Alfred Byles I can tell you that Catherine Edith Ellen May married this man in 1917 in complete ignorance of his marital status. After the scandal of his arrest and imprisonment she continued to live with her father and stepmother and her own daughter.
Once she was saddled with having changed her name to Byles she did not want to draw attention to her own family name of May and married Niels Gregersen as Catherine Byles, widow. At that period there were several thousand widows as a consequence of World War 1 and marrying as a spinster again with a thirteen year old daughter would have generated gossip. Catherine was obliged to relinquish the company of Niels who nagged and drank, and he left for several years. When he became ill he returned and was cared for at 39 Frith Road until his death in 1927. His death was registered by Francis May in his role of head of household and Catherine's father.
Once she was saddled with having changed her name to Byles she did not want to draw attention to her own family name of May and married Niels Gregersen as Catherine Byles, widow. At that period there were several thousand widows as a consequence of World War 1 and marrying as a spinster again with a thirteen year old daughter would have generated gossip. Catherine was obliged to relinquish the company of Niels who nagged and drank, and he left for several years. When he became ill he returned and was cared for at 39 Frith Road until his death in 1927. His death was registered by Francis May in his role of head of household and Catherine's father.
At least your FH has a bit of "meat" to it whereas my lot were just born, married and died without any scandal etc. I would have loved to have found something juicy like this.Read my previous comment. Niels was not good company. He left for several years and returned when he was ill and had no-one else to look after him. A private detective had informed Catherine upon Niels' death and her application for a widows' pension that she was not eligible as he had a living wife. She reverted to her maiden name as discovering she had in fact been married twice to two bigamists was appalling to her and she wanted no connection with them.
It's sad that Catherine was widowed only 4yrs after she married Niels but strange that she then reverted to her maiden name
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