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Shropshire / Re: Hartshorn family
« on: Thursday 26 March 15 18:10 GMT (UK)  »
Yep, we know all the history of Eliza and Joseph Hill and her death in 1911. By then, believe it or not, she was living in Ashby de la Zouch where the families of my maternal grandparents (yes, both) AND the families of my paternal grandparents were living.

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Shropshire / Re: Hartshorn family
« on: Tuesday 24 March 15 19:46 GMT (UK)  »
By the time Eliza married her mental health was going downhill very fast. She gave her father's name as 'Joseph' a collier. She in fact married a Joseph and her information, while never very accurate, was quite untrustworthy at this time. Within five years, after two stays in a mental asylum, she was dead.

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Shropshire / Re: Hartshorn family
« on: Tuesday 24 March 15 18:27 GMT (UK)  »
It is I suppose. She really had a terrible life and was, for ,most of the time, completely on her own.

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Shropshire / Re: Hartshorn family
« on: Tuesday 24 March 15 16:52 GMT (UK)  »
I think, as a very frightened young boy, he mumbled 'Atcham' and the person taking the details had never heard of the place and assumed he said 'Chatham'.
Eliza did move to Ashby de la Zouch and married and Grandfather did visit her there.

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Shropshire / Re: Hartshorn family
« on: Tuesday 24 March 15 15:49 GMT (UK)  »
I think that would be him. He trained as a printer in the Industrial School, Newcastle upon Tyne. (Don't ask me!)
Working through the records over the years I have come back to this Eliza being the 'one'..........but I can't prove it. I was hoping to find Williams siblings and children to see if they crop up anywhere else that Eliza turned up.

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Shropshire / Re: Hartshorn family
« on: Tuesday 24 March 15 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
Eliza is named on the birth cert. of my Grandfather John William Hartshorn. Also the baptismal record at St Mary's Shrewsbury. This was 1887.
In the 1891 Census (Oh, my Great Grandmothers deceits!) Eliza and John William turn up in Newcastle upon Tyne as the "wife" of Ezekial Hutchinson, a barman. She says she was born in Shrewsbury and John William in Wellington. I now believe these to be figments of her wild imagination and possibly an attempt to separate herself from the Workhouse.
As for the marriage, I am working from someone elses transcription of the cert. a long time ago. I certainly can't make out any words now.
I can trace Eliza through to her death in 1911 at the age of 43 (although I think this may need a large pinch of salt.

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Shropshire / Re: Hartshorn family
« on: Tuesday 24 March 15 14:10 GMT (UK)  »
I cannot read any of the marriage cert. now as it is a very old copy and has deteriorated by not being looked after very well in the meantime(!)
Is William the grandson of Elijah? Where is this documented?
I think there may be a mistake or even a direct lie concerning Eliza's gender!
Eliza turns up as a laundry maid living in St Mary's Shrewsbury having given birth to my Grandfather at the Atcham Union Workhouse, Berrington on 27th February 1887. No father was givenbut we have since found that it was a boy called William Kennedy who lived in Gateshead and was a market Gardener. Grandfather was christened at St Mary's Church, Shrewsbury and the baptysmal record added an 'e' to his surname.
I originally dismissed William and Sarah Ann as having made a mistake in the sex and name of their child as Elijah appears later and Eliza doesn't. But, the more I look at it I feel that the original birth certificate was correct after all and things went wrong later! This is what I am trying to work out.

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Shropshire / Re: Hartshorn family
« on: Tuesday 24 March 15 11:36 GMT (UK)  »
Here is the birth certificate of Eliza - the only positive facts I have. She then "disappears" until 1887 when she gives birth to my Grandfather at Berrington Workhouse.
I am trying to find evidence which confirms the line of her father and mother and any siblings.
David

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Shropshire / Re: Hartshorn family
« on: Monday 23 March 15 19:39 GMT (UK)  »
I do have their daughter, Eliza's birth certificate. She was born 30th October 1865 at Hook-a-Gate to William and Sarah Hartshorn. I don't know anything about them and she disappears afterwards until she reappears in 1887 giving birth to my Granddad. Where was she and what was she doing?

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