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I'm hoping someone can help me clarify some of the names of witnesses to a Will in the attached image. There are a lot of witnesses named and I can make out all except 1 or 2 of them. This is how I read the names:

"John Coppyn, John Pamplett, Robert Benet, Christopher __________, John Colbrand, ______ Colbrand, Edward Colbrand, Nicholas Colbrand"

The second Colbrand name might be Vincent or Zacharias.

Can anyone tell me what Christopher's surname might be?

Many thanks


Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Names on Inventory
« on: Sunday 14 October 18 18:28 BST (UK)  »
William Denn the elder - It can be argued there's an e at the end of the surname:  I say not.
John Larrance
John Dixone - What looks like a second n is part of the e.

Thanks for clarifying those.


Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Names on Inventory
« on: Sunday 14 October 18 01:14 BST (UK)  »

Can anyone clarify the second and third name on this extract from the inventory of my ancetsor Joan Denne?

The first name is "William Denne the elder" [it might be older] and I'm pretty sure the thrid name is "John Dixonne". The name in the middle looks like "John" but I did wonder if it was "Joseph".

Many Thanks

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will of William Adison
« on: Sunday 14 October 18 01:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi Matt

Wonder if this is the sister

Clement CHAPPELL widow of Sandwich married Abraham GOGER a butcher on 13 Jun 1603 at Canterbury St Mary Bredman.


Hi Claire

Possibly - I will look into it.


Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will of William Adison
« on: Sunday 14 October 18 01:04 BST (UK)  »
... dwellinge in Essex ...
I agree itís written William. Itís not unknown to have siblings with the same forenames, or (as you say) he could be a half-brother. Impossible to say which.

... sister Clement nowe wife of Abraham Gogar ...
Clement can be a female forename.

... unto my verie lovinge brother Robert ...

Hi thanks for that, you've confirmed my suspicions.

I thought the name of his sister looked like Clement but I've never heard of it as a female name.

I did think it said "my verie loving brother" but I wasn't totally sure.

Thanks again for confirming these.


Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Will of William Adison
« on: Sunday 14 October 18 00:26 BST (UK)  »

I have recently obtained a copy of the 1606 Will of William Adison of Sandwich [see first attachment] who I believe is the brother of my ancestor Robert Adison. I am hoping someone here can identify some words and explain something which is puzzling me.

In the second extract attached William appears to states the following "I bequeath to my youngest brother William Adison now dwelling in ??? the sum of three pounds of lawful money of England"

Am I seeing things there? How can William have a brother with the same name? Could he be a half brother maybe?

Also at the end of this extract he mentions his sister whose name looks like "Clement" can anyhow suggest what that name is? Also can anyone clarify the surname of her husband?

Lastly in the third attachment William refers to his "loving brother Robert Adison" however there is a small word before "loving" which has thrown me. Can anyone clarify this for me?

Many Thanks

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Dates on the Will of Gregory Barns
« on: Friday 12 October 18 22:16 BST (UK)  »
Probate - 'vicesimo sexto Januarij 1610' , 26th Jan. (Use Google translate) -

Will is in December 1610 - the number of the date difficult to make out - 20th?

Added: As you no doubt know Matt, January 1610 came after December 1610 in those days, when the new year started in April.


Thanks for that. I have his burial as being in January 1609/10 but wan't sure of the date on here.

Many Thanks

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Dates on the Will of Gregory Barns
« on: Friday 12 October 18 20:44 BST (UK)  »

Can anyone here confirm the date on this Will [image 1] and the date of Probate [image 2]

The Will appears to be dated [and probate granted] in January 1610 but I'm not sure about the days.

Many Thanks


Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Christening of Thomas Rogers
« on: Friday 12 October 18 00:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi Claire and Matt,
                            I too am descended from my namesake Peter Rogers through Peter and Elizabeth's son Joseph. I think Peter was probably the son of Thomas and Judith nee Cheeseman born during the 1640's at Leaveland during the Civil war period when unfortunately the registers weren't kept.

        I  believe that Peter was an Innkeeper at The Falcon, Leaveland opposite Badlesmere Lees.
        There are lots of entries for him in Throwley's Churchwardens and Overseers accounts during the 1670's and 80's including mention of his servant so he must have been well off for the time.

        Peter's wealth may have come through the Dourne family. Elizabeth must have been educated to some extent signing peter's inventory "Elizabeth Rogeares" in 1696. I agree that she was probably Joseph Dourne's niece but as you have found there were a few Dourne families in the area.
        I did find a Joseph Dourne of Molash and a Thomas Rogers of Biddenden  together in the calendar of assize records 1677 when they were part of a trial jury but I have doubts regarding this being our Thomas.

        I also have a tree that was sent to me some years ago from someone descending from your Thomas Rogers and Elizabeth Farly.

        I'm happy to share any of what I have, hopefully it will be of interest.

                                    Pete Rogers   


Hi cousin Pete

I haven't looked at the Rogers/Rodgers or the Dourns for a while as I have been trying to sort out some other lines but a lot of what you say sounds familiar and fits with my own findings and theories.

I have a copy of Elizabeth Rogers' 1712 Inventory but I haven't seen Peter's. Are you able to send me a copy of that?

I will end there as it's late but I will definitely be interested in any info you can share and seeing that tree would be great [I do have a Rogers tree but at the moment it's in 3 parts as I am not completely sure how it links up - this tree might help!].

If you'd like to see my Ro[d]gers Family Tree, send me your email in a PM and I will send it to you.

In the meantime I look forward to hearing from you, and as Claire said - welcome to Rootschat!


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