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Yes, it’s an administration bond, dated 26 March 1621.

John Sawier of Minety (written Mynty), in the Archdeaconry of Wiltshire, had died intestate (without a valid will). Richard Hayden and John Keene were bound in the sum of £200 to administer his estate according to the law, and to draw up the inventory and submit it into court by Michaelmas next (29 September). It looks as if Richard Hayden (H) and John Keene (I K) both made their marks.

John Keene is not named as an administrator for the estate. His role as a bondsman would be to support Richard Hayden in the unlikely event that the bond was called in for payment because of a failure to administer the estate properly.

The clause in Latin (on the left) shows that the bond was signed, sealed and delivered in the presence of William Tychborne, Notary Public. There is no probate clause because there was no valid will.

I can do a full transcription if you want, but the above is the gist of it.

Hi

Thanks for that info which looks very useful.

A full transcription would be very much appreciated and I think would be very helpful as well. I can't post the full image on here but I can send it to you in a pm if that is ok. Let me know if that's alright and I will send it to you along with my email so you can send the transcription back to me directly.


Thank again

Matt



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This piece at the bottom appears to contain the signature of John Keene and what I assume is a probate clause on the left.

Matt

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Here's the last bit of this section.

Matt

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Here's the next bit of this section.

Final section to follow

Matt

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Hi Matt, John Keene should have had his parish named. Perhaps it was unknown at the time of writing, or omitted in error?

To confirm what sort of bond this is you need the English section, the 'Condition', which should follow this Latin section. It should begin 'The condition of this obligation is that ...'.

ADDED - in case it helps, the date is 26 March 1621.

Hi

Thanks for that. I think this is the piece you are referring to - it appears to start with the phrase

"the Condition of this obligation is …. that ………… ………………… Richard Hayden Administrator of all and singular the goods and chattles of John Sawier late ……. ….. lived of the parish of Mynty…."

Attached is the top half of this section, I'll post the second half next.

Any help would be appreciated.

Matt

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Hi

Thanks to everyone for those useful bits of info. It was mainly those names in the first bit I wanted to confirm before I could establish if this document was of relevance to my research.

It seems a bit odd that it describes John Keene of "in the county of Gloucester" but without naming where in the parish he was from. Is that just how these documents were worded?

I believe that this is the start of an administration bond and I am posting the next part here now in case anyone can confirm this or tell me what other info is in this.

Thank again
Matt

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Bond or Administration
« on: Friday 25 May 18 21:00 BST (UK)  »
Hi

Can anyone let me know what the attached image [taken from the top of a probate record] says?

I can see what looks like "Richard Hayden" in the first line but I'm not completely sure of the next two lines.

Any help would be appreciated.

Many Thanks

Matt

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Places in Will of Thomas Keene
« on: Tuesday 22 May 18 00:38 BST (UK)  »
I am hoping someone here can help me with some place names in this extract from the Will of Thomas Keene of Wroughton, Wiltshire (dated 1686).

In the first and second line there is a reference to land at what looks like "Eaton ____ als Church Eaton" Can anyone confirm what this place is called and is there a place called Church Eaton?

In the third and fourth line there is what look like a reference to land in "Dounton". Can anyone confirm the place name and where it is?

Any help would be appreciated.

Matt

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Gloucestershire / Re: Does anyone know where these places are?
« on: Friday 04 May 18 00:56 BST (UK)  »
Hi Matt
His wife is also Anne, John signed the will.  Witnesses are Nicholas Leydell (signed), looks like Richard Shummer / Shurmer (also signed), and Anne Shummer (made her Mark "X").  No other beneficiaries, just the wife & 2 daughters.

The inventory was made by William Greene of Minety, and Richard Summer of Upton in Gloucestershire, both were Yeoman (as was John Rayman)

Jane

Hi Jane

That all looks very interesting, and may lead us somewhere. Can you email me a copy of the Will so I can look at the signatures? I think I have seen a couple of the names before.

I have found several Wills for Shu[r]mer/Shummer/Su[r]mer/Summer [and other spellings] on the National Archives website and there are a lot of christenings in the parish of Purton, Gloucestershire. There is a christening for a Richard Shurmer in Purton in 1620 (son of John). His father appears to have had another son named William christened in Purton in 1622.

Also there is a marriage in Purton in 1584 between a John Rymer and an Alice Greene. I think this might be worth investigating as John might be an ancestor of John Raymer/Rayman and Alice could be related to William Greene. They might not be connected but I think it is something to check.

Now the really interesting bit.....

You mentioned that one of the witnesses to John Rymer's 1663 Will was a Nicholas Leydell. I think that this is actually Nicholas Playdell. The interesting thing is that I have seen that name before in connection with the Keene family but I will need to check my notes to see where. The other interesting thing is that Nicholas appears to have left a Will in 1664 (proved in the PCC). I plan to examine that tomorrow as it might give more info about the Rymer/Raymer line.

Lastly I thought I would give you an update about the family of John and Jane Keene. Based on the info in their Wills and the Wills of other related people I have established that they had 6 children. These were:

Thomas Keene - the eldest son [died in Wrougton and left a Will]
Barnard/Bernard Keene - the second son [married Mary Woodroofe in 1667. He left a Will]
Silvester Keene - the third son [from whom I descend]
Dorothy Keene - daughter
John Keene - son
Elizabeth Keene - daughter

I have copies of the Wills of Jane, Barnard, and Thomas Keene as well as the Will of Mary Keene (widow of Barnard). I'll send you details regarding these tomorrow.

That's all for now. I will PM you with my email address.

Matt

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