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1736
George Hood, Master of the Providence of Scarborough, sailing from Rotterdam to Leith.

"Leith lies to the north of Edinburgh on the southern shore of the Firth of Forth."


1758
Fulvie the Privateer took The Providence, of Scarborough, Robert Lumley, Master, into Dunkirk and a 300 Guineas Ransom was demanded. The ship owner was Wm Garbett.


1747
Michael Hood, Master, 37, Born Barrow, Abode Morton, sailing the "Satisfaction", Hull to London.
Rob Franklin, Mate, 47, Born Barrow, Abode Hull.
John Wells, Sailor, 25, Born Stockw: , Abode Hull.
Wm Goodyear, Sailor, 21, Born Grenley, Abode Stockwith.
John Naylor, Sailor, 19, Born Hatfield, Abode Stockw: .
Jo: Fillingham, Sailor, 15, Born Crasloon[?], Abode Stockw: .
Tho Smith, Sailor, 30, Born Epworth, Abode Stockw: .
[sic]

Mark

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Cambridgeshire / Re: Quakers
« on: Yesterday at 14:40 »
Hello Mark and all

It is a baptism and it is Royston old meeting house so from the information you lovely people
have given me, the baptisms are probably non conformists.


many many thanks


Sue Ault

Hi Sue

Pleased to have helped.

Definitely Nonconformists and Dissenters, known as Independents at that Royston Meeting House practicing baptism.

The RG (Registrar General) collected up surviving Nonconformist records in the late 1830s (about 1838 to 1840) and these were deposited by the RG in the Public Record Office renamed The National Archives, Kew.

Later Nonconformist Registers might still be with the Chapel, or their places of Deposit like County Archives & University Special Collections. The United Reformed Church HQ, I believe hold some more recent Registers of former Congregational Chapels, which later came under their umbrella, so as to speak.

The National Archives RG holdings for Royston ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=royston&_cr=RG&_dss=range&_sd=1700&_ed=1840&_ro=any&_st=adv

I know these RG Nonconformist records are on Ancestry for Yorkshire. If you can't access them at home, your local Library or County Archive may subscribe to those family history site/s who have them online. You should also be able to access each Volume / Register from the "Card Catalogue" on Ancestry if you are familiar.

Of course, to view any original file at our The National Archives, Kew, (where no microfilm/fiche, or image exists), you will need a "Readers Ticket" and to get one of those you will need formal official original proofs of:-
i) who you are and
ii) where you live currently.

See their "Visit Us" online pages before going and check what notice to produce the required documents are required.

Hopefully, those in the link will be online.

If anyone gets back with Dissenting ancestors before Registers survive, you may find documents at the Dr Williams Library, London, or references in old histories (many published in the 19th Century) and Church of England Visitations (who were keeping a general eye on Nonconformist (NC) activities 18th Century and earlier too, as NC were taking people away from the Church of England). Some NC were also reported and thrown into Prison for their beliefs.

The John Rylands University Library (Archives) is another, holding NC documents and there are other Universities and Archives too holding NC records.

Mark

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Cambridgeshire / Re: Quakers
« on: Yesterday at 00:47 »
Hi all
Can I ask please would my ancestors have been Quakers if they baptised their children at the meeting house in Royston ?


Sue Ault  ???  ::)


Hello Sue

House of Lords Journal Volume 63: 1830

Upon reading the Petition of the Protestant Dissenters of the Independent Denomination assembling respectively at the Old Meeting House and the New Meeting House in Royston, in the County of Cambridge, whose names are thereunto subscribed;

The Parliamentary Archives, may be able to supply a copy for a fee, as it says some of them have subscribed their names to the Petition, whether that was just the local Trustees, or some of their Meeting flock signing it, is unclear.

Unlikely to be Quakers for one reason already given - Quakers did not baptise, but recorded the Birth. Because you were usually entitled to be a Quaker by Birthright (Quaker parentage), unless the Quakers disowned you later for wrongdoing e.g. a 'Testimony of Denial" was issued. Although some Quakers really regretted their actions and were allowed back into their Quaker faith.

So it seems the Meeting House you mention practicing Baptism, were Independents and Dissenters, so Nonconformists (not conforming to the Church of England).

Some Independent Chapels later became Congregational and later still, were absorbed into the United Reformed Church.

Mark

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It would be interesting if we could find the children of William Cook and Elizabeth Hood, and where they ended up. Children - Eleanor, Rosamund, William and Elizabeth.

Thanks to the other thread someone started I feel fairly sure Eleanor married as Ellen Cook in London to a George William Bentley. Her two sons were both given the middle name Hood and her daughter was a Elizabeth Rose Bentley who went on to marry a William Cotter, who ran his own business as a Flour Carman.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163102.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=106949.msg6431373#msg6431373


From my jotted notes (not detailed) Rosamund married Thomas Abbott of Loders, Dorsetshire & ended up in Guernsey.  Thomas was a master mariner & Rosamund became a Boarding House Keeper.

Hello Jomot, Claire and All

7 January 1837
Rosamund COOK hath resided in Morpeth for 15 days last past, Spinster, aged 21 years and Thomas ABBOTT of the Parish of Loders, Dorsetshire, Bachelor, aged 21 years hath prayed for a Licence.

Interesting that Loders is near Bridport.

My late Grandparents were acquainted with Thomas Selifant and Alice ABBOTT who married in the District of Beaminster in 1907. Some of them were Baptists and my Grandfather was a Baptist. Beaminster Registration District included Bridport & Powerstock, which I recognise as being close to Loders.

I wonder if Alice ABBOTT who married in 1907 was related to Thomas ABBOTT of Loders, who married Rosamund COOK?

Mark

Hello All

Jomot & Claire you beauties!

I've been poking about on Family Search / GRO and found this!

1851 - St Peters Port, Guernsey HO 107 2530/32 page 24
Rosamond ABBOTT, Head, Marr, 43, Master Mariner's Wife, Born NORTH SHIELDS.  ;D
William ABBOTT, Son, 11, Scholar, Born BRIDPORT, DORSET.  :D
Elizabeth ABBOTT, Dau, 4, Born Channel Islands.


The only Birth circa 1839 -/+ 2 years, on England & Wales GRO gov.uk for a male ABBOTT with Mother's Maiden Surname COOK was JOHN ABBOTT in the District of Tendring.


However ...

Found a William John ABBOTT, Baptised, 2nd August 1839 AT BRIDPORT, DORSET.  ;D
Father: THOMAS ABBOTT.  :D
Mother: ROSAMOND.   :D

So there is a connection with Thomas & Rosamond ABBOTT to BRIDPORT, DORSET, they have had a Son baptised BRIDPORT.


Rosamond ABBOTT, nee Rosamond COOK 3rd Daughter of William COOK of North Shields Mar'r Native of Lowestoft by his Wife Elizabeth HOOD Native of All Saints, baptised 1807. Marriage 24th January 1804.

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My Grandparents HOOD (Baptist & Methodist) were acquainted with Alice ABBOTT and SELIFANT who married 1907. Apparently they married at the Independent Chapel, Beaminster.
https://surname-society.org/william-sillifant/

Alice Abbott was also linked to Abbott of Bridport and Allington near to Bridport (Reply #587).

I am now wondering if my earlier HOODs had known the ABBOTTS in the Bridport area for some time, OR if it was because Selifant's and Abbott's child became a Baptist Deaconess (same Religion as my Grandfather - Baptist).

Thank you, Mark

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Hello

Regarding Samuel Abbott who died December 1st 1886, aged 25, at Kettering [County Court Bailiff when he died].

The Grave Memorial confirms his:-
Father as George ABBOTT dying 28th June 1885, aged 64 years.
Mother as Eliza, Wife of the Above [George ABBOTT] who died 16th April 1901, aged 75 years.

Eliza was nee Eliza PATRICK.

George ABBOTT appears to have been born Finedon.

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I cannot see any link yet of my Kettering ABBOTTs, to the Thomas ABBOTT at Loders or ABBOTT of Bridport / Allington, Dorset.

If there is no link, then the Thomas Selifant who married Alice ABBOTT in 1907, known by my Grandfather must be a surname coincidence.

Mark

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Quote
7 January 1837
Rosamund COOK hath resided in Morpeth for 15 days last past, Spinster, aged 21 years and Thomas ABBOTT of the Parish of Loders, Dorsetshire, Bachelor, aged 21 years hath prayed for a Licence.

His Master's Certificate of Service dated 21 May 1867 & issued at Guernsey says he was born Loders in 1807 and that he had been 41 years in the British Merchant Service.  Another, dated 27 Dec 1850 and also issued in Guernsey gives his full DoB as 4 Jun 1807 and 26 years in the service.

Thank you Jomot

Working backward on the Abbotts, from Thomas SELIFANT and Alice SELIFANT [nee Alice ABBOTT] in 1911, gives, so far:-

John ABBOTT and Sarah WARD married 13 August 1826 / 4 September 1826 Allington / Bridport.

My jottings:-

1911 Census
Thomas SELIFANT, Head, Marr, 32 (born abt 1879), Postman, Shoe & Boot Repairer, born Ashwater, Devonshire.
Alice SELIFANT [nee ABBOTT], Wife, Marr, 27 (born about 1884), Birthplace Lyme Regis, Dorset [Registration Dist. Axminster].


1891 Census - Lyme. Axminster Reg'n District
William ABBOTT, 39 (born abt 1852), Mason, Born Dorset.
Lydia ABBOTT, Wife, 37 (born abt 1854), Born Dorset. [nee Lydia Gale]
Laura ABBOTT, 13 (born abt 1878), Born Dorset.
Walter ABBOTT, 11 (born abt 1880) Born Dorset.
Annie ABBOTT, 9, Born Dorset.
Alice ABBOTT, 7 (born abt 1884), Born Lyme, Dorset.
William R. ABBOTT, 3, Born Dorset.
Harry G. ABBOTT, 0, Born Dorset. [Harry Gale Abbott born 1890]


1881 Census - Lyme Regis, Dorset. Axminster Reg'n District
William ABBOTT, Head, Marr, 28 (born abt 1853), Mason, Birthplace Bridport, Dorset.
Lydia ABBOTT, Wife, Marr, 26, Born Netherbury, Dorset.
Laura ABBOTT, Daughter, 3, Born Lyme Regis, Dorset.
Walter ABBOTT, Son, 1, Born Lyme Regis, Dorset.


1861 Census - Allington. Reg'n District Bridport
James ABBOTT, Head, Marr, 30 (born abt 1831), Born Allington, Dorset.
Jane ABBOTT, Wife, Marr, 30 (born abt 1831), Born Allington, Dorset. NEE PAYNE.
William ABBOTT, Son, Un, 9 (born abt 1852), Born Allington, Dorset.
Ellen ABBOTT, Dau, Un, 7 (born abt 1853), Born Allington, Dorset.
Susan ABBOTT, Dau, Un, 4 (born abt 1857), Born Allington, Dorset.
George ABBOTT, Son, Un, 2 (born abt 1859).


James ABBOTT & Jane PAYNE married District of Bridport, 1851


James ABBOTT Bapt 6th July 1831 Allington, Dorset, parents John ABBOTT & Sarah.


1841 Census - Allington
John ABBOTT, 36-40, Born Dorset.
Sarah ABBOTT, 32-36, Born Dorset.
Willm ABBOTT, 14, Born Dorset.
George ABBOTT, 12, Born Dorset.
James ABBOTT, 10, Born Dorset.
John ABBOTT, 7, Born Dorset.
Joseph ABBOTT, 5, Born Dorset.
Benjamin ABBOTT, 3, Born Dorset. [Born in the Reg'n District of Bridport, Mar Qtr 1838 Mother WARD.]
Ann ABBOTT, 1, Born Dorset.

John ABBOTT and Sarah WARD married 13 August 1826 / 4 September 1826 Allington / Bridport.


1. Can't see any ancestral link yet, from Thomas Selifant & Alice Abbott 1907 marriage (known by my Grandparents) back to Thomas ABBOTT of Loders, Dorsetshire, who married Rosamund COOK (Morpeth, Northumberland) in January 1837 ?


2. My Great Grandmother's side was *Samuel Abbott, County Court Bailiff who married Charlotte Foulds 1882, District of Kettering, but can't see any link there either to Alice ABBOTT born Lyme Regis, Dorset 1884 who married Thomas Selifant (known to my Grandparents)?

* ADDED: My ancestor Samuel ABBOTT, County Court Bailiff, (Widow Charlotte), died 1st December 1886 at Kettering, aged 25.
He had married 1882 and died before appearing in the next Census with their children, so I don't have a Birthplace.

Mark

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It would be interesting if we could find the children of William Cook and Elizabeth Hood, and where they ended up. Children - Eleanor, Rosamund, William and Elizabeth.

Thanks to the other thread someone started I feel fairly sure Eleanor married as Ellen Cook in London to a George William Bentley. Her two sons were both given the middle name Hood and her daughter was a Elizabeth Rose Bentley who went on to marry a William Cotter, who ran his own business as a Flour Carman.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163102.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=106949.msg6431373#msg6431373


From my jotted notes (not detailed) Rosamund married Thomas Abbott of Loders, Dorsetshire & ended up in Guernsey.  Thomas was a master mariner & Rosamund became a Boarding House Keeper.

Hello Jomot, Claire and All

7 January 1837
Rosamund COOK hath resided in Morpeth for 15 days last past, Spinster, aged 21 years and Thomas ABBOTT of the Parish of Loders, Dorsetshire, Bachelor, aged 21 years hath prayed for a Licence.

Interesting that Loders is near Bridport.

My late Grandparents were acquainted with Thomas Selifant and Alice ABBOTT who married in the District of Beauminster in 1907. Some of them were Baptists and my Grandfather was a Baptist. Beauminster Registration District included Bridport & Powerstock, which I recognise as being close to Loders.

I wonder if Alice ABBOTT who married in 1907 was related to Thomas ABBOTT of Loders, who married Rosamund COOK?

Mark

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Dumfriesshire / Re: John Goldie b 1797 Tynron
« on: Monday 13 August 18 11:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi Maggie

Probably to rule out.

You also mentioned a Goldie and a Smith.

According to a Thames Police Court case Thomas Goldie, who had a Brother called John Smith (who also used a Johnson alias). Offence occurred at Shadwell, references to the shore, coal ships, barge and vessels there.

Reported in the Morning Advertiser 30 July 1840 (long column), sentenced to Hard Labour.

Mark

Hello Maggie

I am wondering if:-
John Henry Goldie was using John Smith (Court says he was the Brother of Thomas Goldie) and
Thomas Joseph Goldie had dropped his middle name, when caught by the Thames Police.

By 1840 they would be young men and I doubt their parents would be mentioned.

It appears they may have been in trouble at Woolwich reach with others previously, but let off and Goldie was known by Marston, a River Constable.

A Sarah Ann Goldie married a John Smith, at St Dunstan Stepney, London, 19 November 1826.
(Sarah Ann Goldie a Widow according to what you found)

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If the Parents Marriage (John Goldie & Sarah Ann Peart) was by Licence, then the Marriage Bond and Marriage Intention / Allegation are not online, the Archives which hold the Diocesan Record Archives, will hopefully be able to supply scans of them?

ADDED: but according to your Australian Marriage Certificate, it was John Goldie & Sarah Ann Peart marriage, which is of interest.

Mark

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Non Conformist Baptism
« on: Monday 13 August 18 00:15 BST (UK)  »
Hello Jan

1846
WHEREAS a Petition of Jarvis Jagger, of Clayton Heights, near Bradford, in the county of York, Stuff Manufacturer, an insolvent debtor, having been filed in the Leeds District Court of Bankruptcy, and the interim order for protection from process having been given to the said Jarvis Jagger ...

Leeds Intelligencer, 17th April 1852
On Tuesday last, a game was played on Wibsey Slack, between Jarvis Jagger, of Bradford, and Isaac Drake, of Queen's Head, for 2 aside. The former was the victor by nearly 30 Scores.


Numerous Jagger of Clayton Heights in newspapers.


ADDED: According to letters of John Taylor the Old Dolphin Wesleyan Chapel was there in 1806.
In his letters John comments on the increasing competition for congregation, given the opening of the Ambler Thorn Kilhamite (Methodist New Connexion) Chapel and the Old Dolphin Wesleyan Chapel in 1806.


Clayton
https://e-voice.org.uk/claytonhistorygroup/then-and-now-margaret-dalgety/
Mr. & Mrs. Hirst were the main contributors to the building of the Old Dolphin Wesleyan Chapel at Clayton Heights, and there is also in Clayton Parish Church a stained glass window dedicated to their memory.


https://e-voice.org.uk/claytonhistorygroup/historical-dates/
1828 (August) Clayton Baptist's recognised as a separate church by Queenshead Baptist's.
1830 First Baptist Chapel built. Opened 22nd October. George Andrews pastor.
1834 (3rd October) Wesleyan Chapel, Clayton Lane, opened.



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