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Hello

Thank you dobfarm

Possibly the one in the Selby Land Tax was a relative of Mary Shippen.

Mark

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Hello

Referring to John Hood [Master Mariner, Abode Selby, Born Scarbro'] occupying one part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in the 1780s.

Property Indentures dated 5 & 6th April 1790 - Registered 1792 - Vol. DH, page 485, No 613 Eadon & Ors to Spencer.

Eadon [and John Turner, Tallow Chandler] & Others to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent)


The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer quoted had any links to a HOOD please:-

Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler. Grocer and a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.

Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.




M. Shippen (not Slipper) Neighbour to John Hood in Selby Land Tax - 1780s

This House at Selby divided into two Tenements one occupied by John Hood, transferred in 1790 from John Turner, Tallow Chander (& Grocer) to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent).

One of the parties in the 1790 transfer, was Joseph Tate of Wistow, Yeoman.


1776 Wistow
Aug:t 20th Joseph Tate married Mary Shippen


In view of the 1790 House transfer (Registered 1792) also indicating Joseph Tate of Wistow, Yeoman was a party to the transfer and a 1776 Marriage found by Claire of Joseph Tate of Wistow, it confirms John Hood's Selby neighbour was almost certainly SHIPPEN.


Mark

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In 1910, the Son of William Hood of Selby (Wm Hood bapt 1816), Edwin Casson Hood married Mary Ediss and in 1911 the couple are living with a Joseph Smith Shore of Heage Hall, Derbyshire (aged 57, Miller & Farmer, born Heage).

I wonder if Joseph Smith Shore, a Tenant of Heage Hall (1911), was related to Samuel Shore of Norton Hall, Derbyshire?

Edwin Casson Hood's house was at Ambergate.

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(1) Samuel Shore of Norton Hall, Derbyshire, Esq., and Joseph Paice of London, merchant, surviving devisees in trust and executors named in the will of Richard Sherbrooke late of par. St. Sepulchre, London, esq., deceased.
(2) Mary Wilkes, wife of John Wilkes of the City of Westminster, esq., niece and devisee and legatee in the will of the said Richard Sherbrooke.
(3) William Hood of Chancery Lane, esq.
(4) John Hood of Lawrence Poultney Hill, London, gent.
Quotes will of Richard Sherbrooke

Assignment by John Hood to Samuel Shore, Joseph Paice, and William Hood of all the goods, chattels and personal estate which were assigned to him by this indenture, upon the trusts in Richard Sherbrooke's will.
1 April 1784.
Sig. and seal
.


These Hoods (linked to Samuel Shore above) are of Bardon Park and Chapel, Leicestershire, Horeston, Warwickshire and elsewhere.

On their published (part) Family Tree (pdf attached) is a Thomas, Henry, George that has not been completed, or may have died off.

Mark

I assume you have the 1911 census for Edwin.  I obviously cant  post the details but he is listed as the son-in-law of someone not called Ediss.

Once you review the 1911 you should see where Frank fits in:

01 Jan 1897 Heage, Derbyshire
Frank Tomlinson s/o Benjamin married Annie Shore d/o Joseph Smith Shore.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSJL-K8H  (Note Occupation)

Added: 10 Jul 1871, Heage, Derbyshire
Joseph Smith Shore 18 s/o Isaac
Alice Elizabeth Ruth Stone 19 d/o John

Hi

Thank you for this information Jomot.

In 1911, I can see the Shore and Ediss members, along with Mary Hood and Edwin Casson Hood, at Heage Hall, Belper, Derbyshire.

Because this 1911 Census was laid out as original blood family relationships, likely in relation to Joseph Smith Shore, the Head, separating:-
Mary Hood, Daughter, 38, Married under 1 year, born Heage, from her husband
Edwin Casson Hood, Son in Law aged 53, Married under 1 year, born Yorkshire Selby,
but obviously linked by two blue crosses against each Hood.

Also two straight blue marks against Elizabeth Smith Ediss, Daughter, 38 and George Newell Ediss, Son in Law, 52, both married 12 years, although separate from each other in the list.

With earlier Census in b & w, I wonder generally, if other colour marks, are missed by us.

The 1911 Census page signed by Joseph Smith Shore, of Heage Hall, Belper.

 ...

Regards Mark


Reference to Heage and the Shores on page 65 of The Old Halls, Manors and Families of Derbyshire. Volume II.  ...
https://archive.org/stream/oldhallsmanorsa02tillgoog

Seems Shore was a Tenant, so possibly any family documents taken by the family, if any.

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Hi

John Russel of Selby and Martha Hotchson of Drax married 10 Feb 1754 after Banns at Drax.

Both signed
Witnesses:  William Pullein and Edward Waud

Hello All

Thank you Claire.

So Martha Hotchson of Drax was the Daughter of Thos Hodgson of Featherstone, Tayler [sic].


That John Vincent, Mariner, [I need to see more of them Hull Trinity House Muster Rolls, to get his Birth place!!] married Elizabeth Russel and Elizabeth has the same descent as my Sarah Russel, who married George Hood of Selby.


Then about 80 years later from John Vincent, Mariner, on 16th February 1861 Matilda Vincent (alias Matilda Vincent Hood) was born at Langrick, in the Sub-district of Carlton in the Registration District of Selby and her Mother was Emily VINCENT HOOD. They were from Ditchingham, Norfolk.


I keep wondering if there is a local link somewhere and I've just missed it, for all these volumes of notes, Certificates, Census, Deed Registrations, pc files of photos and images, that have built up over 20 years. I must have seen and purchased upwards of 100 HOOD WILLS!

I can't 'see the Hood for the trees'.  ;D  ;D

Mark

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Hello

Going back to the Baptism of Sarah Russell at Selby the actual Selby Register page gives her Russell lineage as

Sarah Russel First Daur Of William Russel of Selby Sailer - Son of John Russel of Selby afores'd Lab'r. by Martha his Wife.
1793 Born 30th September, Baptism 9th October


According to the Selby Transcriptions:-
17th May 1792 William Russel, Sailor, Married Mary Burton, both of this Parish.
By Banns by Mounsey, Curate. William aged 29: Mary aged 20.
Witnesses: Henry Popplewell & George Tarbotton.


Comment: No surname for Martha ? [possibly Martha Hodgson - see next]

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However, looking at the Selby Transcriptions ...

Born & Baptised 17th June 1779
Mary & Martha Vincent baptised twin daughters of John Vincent, Mariner & Elizabeth.
Elizabeth daughter of John Russel of Selby, Labourer by Martha his Wife, Daughter of Thos Hodgson of Featherstone, Tayler.


Unfortunately, nothing on John Vincent's lineage and we didn't photograph even one whole volume of the numerous Hull Muster Roll Volumes! I don't have any Vincent in the Hull Mariner's Rolls photographed, which also cover Selby Births and/or Abodes.


27th November 1778 John Vincent (25) Mariner, Married Elizabeth Russel (21), Both of Selby.

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Interesting that later (next century) a Matilda Vincent Hood, birth was registered at Langrick (near Carlton / Drax) in the Registration District of Selby and these Vincent Hoods came from Ditchingham in Norfolk.

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However, it looks as if Sarah Russell's descent might be the same and therefore Martha Hodgson was also possibly Sarah Russel's Grandmother?

John Russel and Martha [Hodgson], don't seem to have married at Selby?

I wonder where they married, please?

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Some Selby Deaths / Burials (from Transcriptions only) which might be helpful during research:-

22nd October 1805 Martha Russel, died, Widow, Selby. Died aged 86 & buried in the Church Yard.
[born about 1719]

11th September 1780 Benjamin Russel, died, Selby, Farmer, buried in the Church Yard. Decay of Nature aged 95.
[born about 1685]

12th April 1796 John Russel, Died, Selby, Fisherman, John was the Son of Benjamin Russel of Selby Farmer by Mary his Wife. John died of Decay of Nature aged 78 & bd in the Church Yard.
[born about 1718]

28th November  1796 Mary Russel, died, Widow, Selby, Died aged 73. Decay of Nature & buried in the Church Yard.
[born about 1723]


(Incorrect spellings - as spelt in transcriptions)


Mark

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Jurisdiction of the Archbishop York
« on: Wednesday 17 October 18 17:24 BST (UK)  »
Hello

Although the York jurisdiction does not seem to extend to Gateshead and Newcastle upon Tyne.

The Jurisdiction of the Archbishop of York extended to an area greater than Yorkshire at Varying Dates - click on each Parish for Details.

Included a few Parishes in the following Counties of ...
See link for places

Ainsty of York
Yorkshire Ridings
Nottinghamshire
Lancashire
Northumberland (8 Parishes)
Cumberland (I see Millom in the 17th Century, which is in South-west Cumbria, on the West Coast of England!)


Full list of Parishes in England and Wales (but seems to be England) where control of some Parishes listed, extended well into the 18th and early 19th Century ...
http://theclergydatabase.org.uk/reference/list-of-locations/list-of-parishes-in-england-and-wales-arranged-under-the-jurisdiction-of-their-bishops/list-of-parishes-under-the-jurisdiction-of-the-archbishop-of-york/


Comment
I suppose a Yorkshire Household in 1841 (wishing to be slightly awkward on their Householder's sheet) could write yes to born in same county, if born in one of those places (still under York at their Birth) and if accused of dishonesty on their Householder's Sheet, they could say ... well the place came under the jurisdiction of York at my Birth? Although I feel that would be stretching the Law.

Mark

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Thank you.

Referring to my Reply #40, John Turner, Chandler & Grocer (John Hood's Landlord at Selby in the 1780s) was related to Sarah Russell's family and Sarah Russell became Wife of George Hood and Sarah Russell's Mother related to Burton.


Amended
Also does the same John Turner also link to Morley, Morley Wharrey and Burton of Brayton and Cook?

Added.
James Morley and Hannah Burton married Brayton 1796.
When Jane Morley was baptised 3 Aug 1797, the Register (Selby transcriptions) said Hannah was the Dau of John Burton of Burn, Parish of Brayton.

Mark

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Hello

Referring to John Hood [Master Mariner, Abode Selby, Born Scarbro'] occupying one part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in the 1780s.

Property Indentures dated 5 & 6th April 1790 - Registered 1792 - Vol. DH, page 485, No 613 Eadon & Ors to Spencer.

Eadon [and John Turner, Tallow Chandler] & Others to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent)


The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer quoted had any links to a HOOD please:-

Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler. Grocer and a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.

Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.



Added: Wm Russel & Benj'm Russel both born Selby were also sailing in and out of Hull in 1783.


Benjamin Russel's, Daughter of Selby

Ann Russell married John Turner, 1765 in Selby
(Witnesses Ann Morley & Goseph Morley)

Wm Turner (25yrs) marr. Mary Field (23 Sp'r) 1791.     Mary Turner marr. Samuel Blythe 1798
Cordwainer                                                                     (Wits. Ann Turner & Mary COOK)
(Wits. John Leck & Saml Blythe)                                   First Dau 1799 Sarah Blythe, bapt.
First Dau. 28 Sept. 1792 Ann Turner                             No descent for Blythe.


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Various Jottings because John Hood of Selby [Mariner] was living in a house of John Turner Chandler / Grocer


Ann Turner marr. George Morley 25 Nov 1802


John Turner (30) Grocer marr. Hannah Gowland (21) at Selby 16th August 1778

4 September 1779 - John TURNER bapt.
First son of John Turner & Hannah [Gowland] Selby
John Turner Grocer & Chandler
Descent - John son of Henry Turner of Selby, Grocer & Chandler by Mary his wife, dau of John Todd of Selby, Innholder. Hannah dau of Richard Gowland of Cawood, Bricklayer.


Previously Hannah Gowland and John Todd looks to have witnessed the following Marriage of
John Halliday marr. Mary Breasley 19th February 1778 at Selby
(Wits. Hannah Gowland; Jno Todd & John Dickinson Jun'r)


The premises at Selby taken over by George Hood were occupied by Tho's Halliday & R'd Gibson (1800 Land Tax & confirmed in later Deed Petre to Hood)


Morley Wharrey has showed up in a Family Bible mentioning the Morleys at Gainsborough (the place where John Dean, owner of the Industry vessel resided, which was sailed from Hull by John Hood, Master.


It does seem that if George Hood was living at Selby with John Hood of Selby, Mariner, John Hood (via his Landlord) & George Hood were already in contact with people that had connections to Russell, Turner, Morley, Burton and John Halliday who all seem connected.

Thomas Halliday partly occupied the business premises George Hood would take over.


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Also found mentioned at Selby 25 March 1780 Mary Dau of
William Cooke (Mariner) & Mary Chester (Daughter of Hue Chester, Mariner of Rocliff, Parish of Snaith)


Mark

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World War Two / Re: Air Force Lookups - if you need help
« on: Saturday 13 October 18 15:43 BST (UK)  »
Wilf

If you can't get definite information about the Stations, Units & Squadrons with dates, from your family, you'll probably have to Apply and see if you can obtain the 'Service Record' or information from Disclosures about Units & Squadrons and places and see what was listed.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

Against that Service Number did the Card have his full names, or just initials only, because occasionally you can get two or more Cards in AIR 78 with the same sets of initials.

If applying, they'll ask you for Date of Birth and other info anyway.

Mark

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