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The Common Room / Re: Cheddar Man's DNA
« on: Tuesday 20 February 18 18:25 GMT (UK)  »
Did anyone else find the cartoon people both irritating and patronizing?

And I don't care whether our early ancestors had luminous green skin with purple spots but I wouldn't expect a scientist to imply that all early inhabitants of Britain had that particular colouring from just one individual example!

I thought they were the highlight of the programme and quite funny.

Perhaps I am too easily impressed  ;)

The Common Room / Re: Cheddar Man's DNA
« on: Monday 19 February 18 10:13 GMT (UK)  »
.  Oh and I see Ancestry were involved in the DNA analysis too. Don't know if it was wise to advertise that!

I noticed that, they made a point in showing the box didn’t they? Is that now going to make everyone who buys the Ancestry DNA kit think they will get back that far?

Well you just know its only a matter of time before Cheddar man turns up on someone's Ancestry tree .....

The Common Room / Re: Cheddar Man's DNA
« on: Monday 19 February 18 09:22 GMT (UK)  »
Well there was a lot of speculation in that that wasn't backed up satisfactorily IMO.

I was disappointed they did not reveal what his haplogroup was seeing as the female who did the drilling on the skull (forget her name. Its Selina Brace, thanks to the link provided by alpinecottage ) said the results they got were very good.

I do not believe the Natural history Museum has 350 scientists working on things. Did I mishear?

The £200,000 DNA evaluating machine was interesting and led me to thinking it would be good to have a documentary programme taking a genealogy DNA test through from taking the test to evaluation of the results and presentation to the "owner" and what assumptions they draw along the way.

Oh and I see Ancestry were involved in the DNA analysis too. Don't know if it was wise to advertise that!

As for him being black so what, we all know we originally come from Africa (unless you are a creationist) and what colour do you think they were.

Northumberland / Richard Oliver 1747, High Green, Poll book entry.
« on: Monday 19 February 18 08:49 GMT (UK)  »
There is an entry in the 1747 poll book for a Richard Oliver at High Green. Please see attachments.

What I would like to know is how to find out more about this person. I am trying to establish if he is the same person as

Richard Oliver who married Mary Hedley 31 Oct 1741 at Chollerton and had children
Dorothy 1743, Birtley.
John 1746, High Green.
Andrew 1748, High Green.

What I do not know is
When Richard was born or where
When Richard died or where
If he had any more children
What his occupation was
There is no will for him on the NEI site (although if he lived in one of the Northumberland peculiars at the time of death any such will could be filed in a different jusisdiction).

Thank you

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Y-DNA Test
« on: Sunday 18 February 18 15:38 GMT (UK)  »
Another thought. Have you found the baptism of your great great grandfather as sometimes (OK I admit this is rare) the reputed father of an illegitimate child is named in the baptism. I am estimating that your gg grandfather was born around 1870 and this is certainly a period when such an event might be recorded thus.

I have a case in my tree of one of my great grandmothers being illegitimate and I did not expect to find out who her father was. From the earliest census record she was on when she was 2 1/2 she was with the family that were later to adopt her. Leading on from a tip on here I decided to look for a baptism for her but there was nothing in Anglican records. Eventually I wrote to the county archives and asked them to do a search for a baptism for her. I told them what I knew and the fact that this persons daughter was a Methodist. They did the search and found the record amongst some Methodist records which I would most likely not have found on my own.

So in short I would advise looking for a baptism. If you cannot find one then it may be worth writing to the county records office concerned seeing if they can find it. If you do tell them what you know including such things as if a different religion might be involved. My search request mentioned above cost £15 from memory but it was quite tightly specified and I was very happy with it as it got a result.

Good luck.

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Y-DNA Test
« on: Sunday 18 February 18 10:25 GMT (UK)  »
In theory its possible but it would be a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack and most importantly someone in a male line descent from your great great grandfathers father would also have to take the test and be a spot on match. Even if all that happened you would then need to construct a good paper trail on both lines to back up the findings of the test results. As a word of caution I took a yDNA test about 5 years ago as hopefully a way of helping with my paternal line that peters out around 1750 in rural Northumberland, to date its not yielded any helpful results.

If you do take a yDNA test to try and help with this then I would say a 12yDNA and 37yDNA test would not be helpful and you really need to take a 67yDNA test at least. This helps eliminate the possibility of false positives which would be particularly likely with the 12yDNA test. The test work by testing a number of markers, or "short tandem repeats (STRs)", on the Y chromosome so obviously the higher the number of markers the more chance of a meaningful result. Also if you take the tests the more DNA comparison sites the results are on the more likely you are to get a match as it will bring in people who test with other companies.

As I said at the beginning its a long shot but if you go ahead good luck and hope it proves useful though it will probably take a long time to match.


I had a look today and cannot see any trace of your tree which would seem to suggest that on the original site you cannot see trees on the DNA site. That seems wrong to me as that would mean Ancestry are effectively running two sites and not making it clear. If anyone with more/better knowledge could throw some light on this I would be grateful.

And thanks to sugarfizzle, I found your post earlier today very helpful.

Just had another look and still not there. It could be that as a new tree I don't see it (if at all) until after an overnight update. I shall look again tomorrow just in case that is the situation.

Re the name on the trees, they are the same as yours except two have a middle initial H and two have a middle name Marie. Both are deceased. Its also a name that comes up several times on marriages - that was the first page I saw when I did the search.

I have had a look and can not see it so far, but that could be because you have just uploaded it - not sure if there is a slight delay in seeing other peoples trees when they are created/updated.

Did find several other trees with the name you gave but you were not the owner of any of them.

I think the link Carmella gave helpfully goes a long way to answering your question ie you need a subscription  to view

Extra DNA features with a subscription

New Ancestor Discoveries
Find possible ancestors who aren't listed in your tree. When two or more of your DNA matches a) are DNA matches to you and to each other at a 2nd cousin level or further out; b) have public family trees attached to their DNA tests; and c) share a common ancestor (according to their trees), that common ancestor will appear to you in the form of a New Ancestor Discovery.

DNA Circles
Meet groups of relatives who likely descend from a common ancestor. A DNA Circle will form around an ancestor in your family tree if your tree is public and linked to your DNA test, and if two or more of your DNA matches are DNA matches to you and to each other at a 2nd cousin level or further out, have public family trees attached to their DNA tests; and share a common ancestor (according to their trees).

Shared Ancestor Hints
A shared hint is a common ancestor found in the linked family trees of both you and your DNA match; a shared ancestor hint can direct you to which ancestor you share with that match.

Matches’ trees
Access your matches' public family trees.
So if their trees are private you still won't see them.

Shared surnames and birth locations
View lists of shared surnames and birthplaces in your matches’ public trees.

Hope that helps


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