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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: West Norwood 1869-1940
« on: Friday 08 June 07 13:22 BST (UK)  »
OH, MY GOODNESS!!!!   :o

This is absolutely amazing, these are definitely my relatives.

Fairbank Camplin' sister married into the Woolhouse family and raised a flock of baby Woolhouses.   I know Fairbank emigrated to Vancouver shortly after, possibly as a result  this episode.   Isn't it ironic that I'm in regular contact with a Woolhouse descendant found through here.  I wonder what his reactions will be about all this.

Can you please tell me where I can see these newspaper reports for myself? They will certainly go in a prominent position in the FH scrapbook.

A very grateful and totally gobsmacked / stunned
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P.S.  I'll be back with further comment - this could get quite interesting!   ;)

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: West Norwood 1869-1940
« on: Thursday 07 June 07 20:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi Amy

Looking at the 1901 Census, I see a Robert Goatley b.1901, W. Norwood son of James and Ada, all living in Thornton Heath.   Is this your Robert?

In my tree, I have a Florence Goatley b.1880, Brixton, daughter of Edward & Marie, who married George Frederick Woolhouse in 1900.  I'm in contact with their grandson who has a lot of memories of the area, so if Robert is related do contact me as I can put you in touch with him.

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I have recently inherited this amazingly large, rolled-up print, measuring exactly 20” x 16”.

 -  I’d really like to know the date so I can narrow down the individual.  Any ideas?

 -  I’m amazed at the size of the print and wonder if this is it’s original size that would have
     been framed, or is it just as likely to be a more recent copy, or enlargement.

 -  Bearing in mind the contents of the studio and the size of the print, is it reasonable to
     assume this young lady was from something other than "the working class”?

Thoughts would be greatly welcomed
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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: West Norwood 1869-1940
« on: Monday 26 March 07 22:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi Dave,

Many thanks for your response - you are bang on!  Apparantly the school has an old plaque on the wall saying "Salters Hill School"  Well done.

I love the picture of the policeman.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / West Norwood 1869-1940
« on: Friday 23 March 07 18:03 GMT (UK)  »
I'm very much hoping someone can shed some light on what it was like for my ancestors to live in W. Norwood 1869–1940.

The Camplin family who were builders, lived in Clive Road, Hamilton Grove / Road and Rommany Road from the time they came into London to help with, what was then, the new housing development in the area.

I know my Grandfather, his sons and cousins all attended the Salters Hill School over the period 1895 to 1929 and I suppose several of their ancestors also attended the same school, but I don’t know where it was, or when it was built. I also suppose the fathers and young men often frequented the Bricklayers Arms, thought to have been built mid 1860’s. Does anyone know of other pubs close by?

The only stories that have been passed down to me are that one relative was chief engineer at Crystal Palace at some point and another Camplin owned a grocers shop 1908-1914, which I guess was in the High St. somewhere.

Other names that were linked through marriage were: Amory, Barrett, Carr, Coe, Cripps, Goatley, Golding, Kingdon, Kroll, Matthews, Walters, Watts, Williams, Woolhouse.

That's all I know and would dearly love to learn more by way of stories of events and celebrations, old photographs of the streets and housing, etc. Does anyone have an idea when the various roads acquired their new housing – I can see from Google Earth that several of the 1800’s houses are still standing today.

I have just a small handful of snaps, which I’d be very happy to share.

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Date please for this amusing photo
« on: Saturday 03 March 07 01:16 GMT (UK)  »
Do you think these people are about to set off for church, paint the town, or pick some pockets?  What a contrast in the fashions!  :D

I am particularly interested to know when this was taken:

    - before 1896 when the people were living in Reading
    - 1896 - 1900 when I don't know where they were living, or
    - from 1901 when they were living in Birmingham

The younger woman was born 1865, her husband on the right, "the pickpocket", born 1862.

I'd be most grateful for your thoughts.

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: A Challenge, me thinks!
« on: Monday 26 February 07 00:25 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you everyone for the help you've given me.  It's very impressive how you've managed to get rid of a lot of the noise, I didn't think for one moment that it would be easy.

So, William was sporting a "Newgate Frill", not fox-fur on his coat collar!  I'm slightly surprised beards were tolerated where he worked - the Huntley & Palmer's biscuit factory.  I can imagine a few customers finding a bonus hair when they opened their packets of digestive creams.   :D

Not that I'm at all good at guessing people's ages, but the little girl looks to me to be aged around 8.  Being there is only one child in the photo, I imagine it to be the youngest who was Edith born 1872.  This would make the photo to have been taken say 1879/80, with William aged 44 and Mary 45.

Thanks again everyone.
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Hi Sue,

Many thanks for your thoughts about the burials being in Norwood Cemetery - it does seem most likely.  It's not being able to search a database of burial records from a distance is the cause of one frustration, not being able to afford to pay the authorities to make searches is another.

Very many thanks about taking some snaps when you're next in the area - I hadn't considered that you were living so far away.  

You are right about the rebuilding of Crystal Palace in Upper Norwood in the mid 1850's.  I believe my ancestor was involved somewhere between 1910-1930  -   I sure hope it wasn't he who caused the fire in '36!   I believe my father, who was born in 1917, only knew about this relative and I only wish he were alive now to share all he knew and learn all that I had discovered.

Thank you so much for your interest - all the very best to you.

Graham

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Thanks Sue,

I will definitely get these.  I actually have maps in electronic form (.jpg) for 1824, 1876, 1877 and 1918 if you would like me to e-mail them to you.

Graham

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