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Midlothian / Re: James Hunter's Tomb in Restalrig - Mrs Juliet Robertson (née Parish)
« on: Saturday 30 March 24 23:21 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: eilthireach on Saturday 30 March 24 19:34 GMT (UK)
Where do you get the daughter of a merchant in Hamburg?
Many places, Dictionary of National Biography for son John Parish Robertson is one, see also his Wikipedia entry.

Quote from: eilthireach on Saturday 30 March 24 19:34 GMT (UK)
ScotlandsPeople has this entry in the Old Parochial Registers for North Leith which shows a Juliet Wright (normal English-language surname!) who married William Robertson, a banker. William Robertson looks like the person you are looking for ....

OPR 692/1 1797 - William Robertson accountant to the Bank and Juliet Wright of Canongate after due proclamation were married Augt 11 by Dr Johnston (and kudos to the indexer who correctly interpreted the flowery handwriting in the entry!)
I had noticed that several people had cited the couple William Robertson & Juliet Wright, who married 11 Aug 1791 according to Scotlands People et al. She is not Juliet Parish, not least because Robertson/Wright had a son John Duncan and Robertson/Parish had a son John Parish. Many references to this family cite the Robertson/Wright data as being for the Robertson/Parish family.

So I hadn't bothered buying the OPR entry, so I'm intrigued that this other William Robertson was an accountant. It has been my belief that they are two different family groups, but as MonicaL points out there is a curious parallel in the forenames of their first two children. Robertson/Parish had a third child Juliet c1798.

Quote from: MonicaL on Saturday 30 March 24 21:02 GMT (UK)
The entry in the Dictionary of National Biography Vol. 16, states that son John Parish Robertson accompanied his father to South America in 1806.
Yes, I know. But John Parish Robertson in his own words contradicts that in his Letters on Paraguay and South America. Another source gives a variation in saying John Parish Robertson "began life, at age 13, as powder-monkey aboard one of Admiral Stirling's vessels in the attack on Montevideo in 1806, his father having come out to establish a house of business in the River Plate."  Yet another source states his father left the Bank of Scotland in 1806 due to ill-health and moved to Glasgow to be 'engaged in business' in a 'commercial house' - being in ill-health does not suggest him going out to the River Plate to set up a merchant house! But - open mind - the truth might out one day!

Whatever the real truth, still doesn't help with finding William's parents.

Quote from: MonicaL on Saturday 30 March 24 21:02 GMT (UK)
Depending on the size of James Hunter's tomb, I wonder if this could refer to a central lair section? It would help to see all those buried in his tomb area to get a sense of space involved..
I have got the printed Restalrig Burial Index and the original list is on Ancestry. I'm not aware of any photo (e.g. FindaGrave). I've no idea if a Lair Book survives.

The reason I'm trying to pin all this down is that he could very well be the brother of James Robertson from Portsoy (my relly) who was a merchant in Dunkirk then a merchant in London. And that's because they both had an association with J J Labalmondiere & Co merchants in Dunkirk. If I could find out the connection between William Robertson and James Hunter's bank and/or family....

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Midlothian / James Hunter's Tomb in Restalrig - Mrs Juliet Robertson (née Parish)
« on: Saturday 30 March 24 16:25 GMT (UK)  »
Restalrig Churchyard burial register has this:
14 Mar 1827 : "Robertson : Interred in the centre of James Hunter's Esq Tomb Mrs Juliet Parish Robertson, wife of William Robertson, Esq., aged 63 years, Mortcloth £1-1-, Safe £1-15-0"
James Hunter was a prominent banker in Ayr (married to Sarah Ballantine who is buried there too).

What can I infer from the wording "Interred in the centre of..."? The Robertsons and Hunters don't appear to be related. But William Robertson had been assistant-secretary at the Bank of Scotland in Edinburgh until 1806 (before he moved to Glasgow), so banking is a common factor.

It looks as though as a couple of years later her husband was buried there too.
22 May 1829 : "Robertson : Interred in J Hunter's tomb William Robertson Edinburgh, aged 61 years, Mort Cloth £1-1-, Safe rent 6 wks £1-4-0"

I'm trying to identify William Robertson's parentage. His wife was Juliet Parish dau of a very prominent merchant in Hamburg. In 1806 she lived at Summerhall thus: Mrs Juliet Robertson, Summerhall; no record of hubby.

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Banffshire / Re: Who is Catherine Sutherland married George Geddes 1812 then Donald Stuart 1827
« on: Saturday 30 December 23 15:46 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Forfarian on Saturday 30 December 23 13:05 GMT (UK)
Quote from: ColC on Saturday 30 December 23 11:07 GMT (UK)
GEDDES   JOHN DUNCAN   GEORGE GEDDES/CATHERINE SUTHERLAND   17/01/1826   FORDYCE
DONALD STUART   MARRIED   CATHERINE SUTHERLAND   12/07/1827   FORDYCE
So she married less than six months after the baptism of her youngest child?

Do you have independent evidence to prove for certain that it's the same Catherine Sutherland?

I do! I believe this is sufficient to put it beyond reasonable doubt.
FreeCEN Piece: SCT1841/153 Place: Fordyce ED: 1 Folio: 1 Page: 1   Address: Sandend
 STEWART    Donald    M    40       n    Ag Labourer
 GEDDES       Jane    F    20 [26]   y    
 GEDDES       George       M    18 [19]   y    Ag Labourer
 GEDDES       Isabella    F    15 [17]    y
 STEWART    Daniel    M    13 [?]   y
 STEWART    Alexander    M    10 [10]   y
Actual ages in [] based on OPR baptism dates.
No baptism record found for Daniel.

Re John Duncan, the OPR explicitly records "George Geddes lately in Sandend had a pothumous Child by his wife Catherine Sutherland...". Inexplicably the OPR baptism dates for earlier children are roughly a year later than the Catholic baptism dates. George is 2 years later. Isabella is but 2 days later!

I'm looking a bit more keenly at this family group now. A witness in the OPR for Isabel Geddes is David Badenoch - he is another member of the Annunciation, son of James Badenoch & Ann Scott. He [James Badenoch] was a blacksmith in Deep of Findlater, but came from Rathven where he has an MI with his wife's MI in Fordyce. He is son of James Badenoch & Jean Davidson who moved from Rannachy Rathven to Kilnhillock Fordyce and whose dau Janet Badenoch married an unidentified James Geddes in Kilnhillock. And James Badenoch h/o Jean Davidson has close connections with Badenochs from Cowfurrach, Bellie and Geddeses from Farnachtie, Rathven which latter locality is exacly where I have decided the parents of my John Geddes were born. I believe I have a coherent and defendable family group of William Geddes & Jean Raich which is quite likely to include a George Geddes but whether he's the h/o Catherine Sutherland or, as I have it at present, h/o Ann Mavor I don't know.

None of this is perhaps much help for the OP but it's helping me by throwing some light on the origins of these Kilnhillock Geddes/Badenochs.

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Banffshire / Re: Who is Catherine Sutherland married George Geddes 1812 then Donald Stuart 1827
« on: Saturday 30 December 23 08:55 GMT (UK)  »
Welcome to RootsChat!

You seem to have got to grips with this family but were you aware that they also appear in the Catholic records?  A "Census of the Congregation" or "Status Animarum" for The Annunciation RC church in Portsoy in 1822 lists their family's birth and baptism dates - and every baptism date significantly differs from those in the Fordyce OPR - see Scotlands People's RC records under 'Other Events'. I have therefore concluded they were baptised twice. Isabella's later 1823 baptism is in the Annunciation records too - under RC Baptisms.

My 3xgtgdfather John Geddes was the Clerk at that time at The Annunciation. So both families would have known each other and both families turn up in RC and Established Church records to various extents (indeed he's probably the witness to your Catherine Geddes in 1819). His family is listed in like manner to yours. His daughters are also listed in the "Confermandi" records as being confirmed at Banff 15-11-1819 but yours aren't.

A new chapel was opened 13-12-1829. John Geddes was a subscriber and well as an Alexander Geddes; I don't see your family in the List of Subscribers. Subscriptions were opened in 1828 by which time it would have been under the Stuart surname.

Finding where my John Geddes came from has been a right trial, probably sucessful due to my identification of fellow subscriber Alexander Geddes, but I have failed abysmally to establish a connection to your George Geddes (who is variously described by his children as a general labourer, a feuar, a farm overseer, an agricultural labourer - and maybe there are other job descriptions you know of).

Maybe the Catholic records will throw up something that helps identify Catherine Sutherland (I see that another Catherine Sutherland was in the Preshome congregation and an 1807 death for someone of that name is recorded there [just saying!]).

Lastly my own prediction of her birth is 1790 (1812-22=1790 : 1730-40=1790) which is close to yours. Maybe you can build a picture of all Sutherlands known to be in Sandend and see where there are gaps your Catherine might fit? And a shufti at the Kirk Session around 1790 might establish whether she was illeg and escaped baptism.

If you've got any insight on the Geddes side I'd be interested. Happy hunting!

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Inverness / Re: Donald born 1681 son of Jon CHISOLME - Inverness
« on: Wednesday 22 November 23 15:09 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks ColC, every little helps.

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ELSPET RICHARDSONE   BORN/BAPTISED   JOHN RICHARDSONE   27/06/1698   CULLEN
If the above is Elspet quite young to be married at the age of 15 or so?
Yes, I'd say too young.

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DONALD CHISM   MARRIED   ELSPET RICHARDSON   26/05/1713   BOYNDIE
Children = Boyndie
WILLIAM 21/04/1714, JANET 22/10/1715
Yes, got them. And Donald Chism was a witness on 10/10/1714 in Cairston, Boyndie.

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DONALD CHISOLM   MARRIED   MARGARET DEAN   30/03/1716   NAIRN
Child = Nairn
MARGARET 24/07/1716
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DEAN   MARGARET   ROBERT SMITH   01/07/1718   NAIRN
So did Donald die.
I'd say a distinct possibility.
Possibly Margaret Dean is the one bpt 22/4/1690 Inverness.

I'd say it's more likely that Inverness' Donald Chisolm moved to Nairn than Boyndie's Donald Chism, especially noting there was only 4 months between mother's 1716 marr and her child's birth.

Leaving the Inverness (& Nairn) strand to its own devices,
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Is this the Elspet born about 1713 I wonder?
RICHARDSON   ELSPET   PETER MURRAY   20/11/1726   FORDYCE
It looks like they had 4 children in Fordyce but Elspet is noted as Richie, Ritchy or Ritchie?
No, again I'd say too young. But she could be Donald Chism's wife on a second marriage because the Fordyce OPR has: "Peter Murray in Fordyce parish & Elspet Richardson in the parish of Boyndie" which would be compelling were it not that both Donald's children's names were repeated in the Murray/Richardson family, which rather undermines things.

A witness (in 1736) was Wm Richie in Tillenaught, so likely to be the child's uncle. A Robert Richardson/Richie was there in 1730-32, so likely another brother.

This Richardson aspect hasn't thrown up anything (so far?) to progress Boyndie's Donald Chism parentage. But the Nairn aspect is tipping Boyndie's Donald Chism away from him being Inverness's Donald Chisolme. One step forward? Preparing for two steps back!

To reprise, my 6xgtgdmother is Bessie Chissolm with Donald being her brother. Finding Donald's parents seemed easier to achieve than finding Bessie's. So far no luck either way.

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Inverness / Re: Donald born 1681 son of Jon CHISOLME - Inverness
« on: Wednesday 22 November 23 09:07 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for responding. Having two in 1678 and two in 1680 clearly implies there were two John Chisolms in Inverness at the same time. There is one recorded marriage, namely 27-2-1677 Kilmorack John Chissolm & Anne Fraser and he could be one of them. 1681's Donald could be his but could be the other one's.

I'm hoping that someone has researched these particular Chisholms and has something to say about what happened to them.

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Banffshire / Bessie CHISSOLM in Riddentrath/Reidstack, Fordyce
« on: Friday 10 November 23 07:46 GMT (UK)  »
My 6xgtgdmother, Bessie CHISSOLM marr John MORISON abt 1721 and had six children all in Riddentrath/Reidstack (same place) in Fordyce parish. She had at least three siblings, one being brother Donald CHISM (or CHISHOLM) who married Elspet RICHARDSON in 1714 (the others being John and Janet).

1)  CHISSOLM (and its variations) occasionally allides with CHIZZET (and its variations) in the same family but they seem to be distinct surnames in their own right. Is there any evidence that CHIZZET genuinely evolved into CHISSOLM, or vice versa, rather than the OPR clerk misunderstanding a relatively rare local surname in favour of a relatively common local surname?

2) Donald is a relatively uncommon forename in Fordyce. The only Donald CHISM I can find is Donald to Jon CHISOLME 21-7-1681 in Inverness. He had a brother John 29-9-1684, with maybe a Janet 12-8-1694. But no Bessie sister. Anyone got any hint of the Fordyce CHISHOLMs (or CHISSETs) having any association with any Inverness-shire CHISHOLMs?

There are various claims about this Inverness Jon CHISOLME being the XXth Chisholm of Comar and Erchless and/or a leader of men at Sheriffmuir and/or gdfather of a private in "Gen Francis Merion's Swamp Fox Brigade" in the US Revolutionary War. I doubt any but who knows? I've posted on the Inverness board to see if anyone there knows Inverness' Donald CHISHOLME in his own right.

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Inverness / Donald born 1681 son of Jon CHISOLME - Inverness
« on: Thursday 09 November 23 11:38 GMT (UK)  »
Looking for information about Donald CHISOLME who was baptised 21 Jul 1681 in Inverness, son of Jon CHISOLME, in particular whether he might be (or might not be) the Donald CHISM or CHISHOLM who was in Fordyce, Banffshire, where he married Elspet RICHARDSON on 26 May 1713 and had just two known children in Boyndie parish Banffshire.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Three wives to choose from. Which one am I related to?
« on: Thursday 31 August 23 09:59 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Fordyce on Monday 07 August 23 17:40 BST (UK)

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=875368.msg7471276#msg7471276

I'm not sure how to post the link - I hope either way works.

My McQuarries are from Ayrshire and Macfarlanes came to Glasgow from Balfron, Stirlingshire although seemingly also have origins in Perthshire. Peter Baxter (referred to in link) come from Kilfinan, Argyllshire. My Ogilvie and Preston come from Haddington. The Gorbals melting pot!

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