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Staffordshire / Re: The Degg Teapot
« on: Friday 13 May 22 02:35 BST (UK)  »
I've just discovered that in 1901 the teapot was owned by Mr. A. E. Chavasse, of The Avenue, Stone,
Staffs.
Instead this will be the best family to try to contact. Do we have any idea on how I should do this?

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Staffordshire / Re: Degge Family in Uttoxeter
« on: Thursday 12 May 22 13:18 BST (UK)  »
I am also looking into the Degg family of Uttoxeter in the year 1762. See my post dated today today in the Staffordshire forum.
I am trying to find this family to ask if they know the whereabouts of a teapot last recorded in 1901. It is marked "M.D. Uttoxeter" beneath the lid and the base has "M. Degg Mar 1762"
I presume the surname is the same family.
Rob

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Staffordshire / The Degg Teapot
« on: Thursday 12 May 22 05:04 BST (UK)  »
Funny title for me to ask for help on a ancestral website. Actually I'm trying to find a certain teapot which on it's base has "M. Degg Mar., 1762" and inside the lid it has "M.D. Uttoxeter". The teapot is impressed by it's maker TURNER who was producing at Lane End (Now Longton).
I am wanting to trace down the Degg family to see if it may still be in their possession.

So it was made in 1762 and last known of in 1901.
This teapot has a satirical design on it probably specially made for M.Degg whom I expect would have been from a well to do family possibly from Uttoxeter.

My search of museums have also failed to find it.

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Staffordshire / Re: Descendants of William Turner. Where are they?
« on: Thursday 30 September 21 05:16 BST (UK)  »
Thank you 'amondg'.
Yes his son "John" who I do not have in my tree applied for his estate which was valued at £100 (from memory).
So who was he???
I have a John listed as b.1803 d.1809 which was mentioned earlier in these replies. Have I missed another birth?
Looking at the 6 children there is a gap in the births from 1807 to 1815 so it is quite possible that there was another birth in that time frame. So if they lost a child named John in 1809 then it is likely that a new son would be called John. That was happening in a previous generation of the Turner line.  Williams father and brother was named John. "If you Google Turner of Lane End" you will find that as potters they were well respected at the time.

Thanks for the death info on Charlotte. It is obvious that the families didn't move around much. I have been lucky enough to have obtained information by a researcher who was writing a book called "Staffordshire Women". Chapter 8 was all about Mary Ann Turner. Here is an extract from her research which she sent me which is where I obtained much of my information.

"They appear in the 1851 and 1861 censuses. In 1851 they just gave the enumerator their initials - daughter `E`, 18, a dressmaker, and sons `W`, 16, `W`, 14, `F`, 12, `J`, 9, `M`, 3 and `H`, 6 months. By 1861 we have the full names - Charlotte is the wife and the children are Elizabeth, William, Walter, John, Martin and Henry - all 10 years older of course. `F` seems to have died or been elsewhere.  Father William was a potter, as were sons William and John. Walter was a `potter`s warehouseman` and Elizabeth was still a dressmaker. The others were `scholars`. As Mary Ann left £550 to Elizabeth and £50 to Martin, listing them as children of her brother William, I`m pretty sure that is the right household. What Mary Ann had against her other nephews I`m not sure - maybe she thought they were doing well enough not to need her money - or maybe she just didn`t like them much!

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Staffordshire / Re: Descendants of William Turner. Where are they?
« on: Wednesday 29 September 21 10:28 BST (UK)  »
Thank you amondg.
No I do not have his will but from bits and pieces it appears that five survived to adulthood.
I have 6 children:
Mary Ann 1801-1878 never married
John 1803-1809 age 6
Sarah 1806-1881 married William Palmer 4 surviving children
William 1807-? married Charlotte Jones in 1823 Wolstanton
Elizabeth 1815-? Died young
Harriet 1818-1848

Apparently Mary Ann left money in her will for a memorial to be built for her two sisters that died young. I have never found a Memorial to them.

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Staffordshire / Re: Descendants of William Turner. Where are they?
« on: Wednesday 29 September 21 10:06 BST (UK)  »
Thankyou mckha489. I'll post this now before it gets too long.
• Your first reply of John Turner aged 5. That fits in very well however where did you obtain the Age as my John Turner would have just turned 6.
• 2nd reply. That william Turner is the son b.16 Jun 1807 (I have no death) that married Charlotte Jones 11 Jun 1832. I have 7 births to them apparently all around Normacott with no idea of what happened to them.
The 1851 census age 42 comment is interesting as my math would have him at 44 but it depends at what time of year it was taken.
• Martin Charles Palmer is the 5th born of William Palmer who married Sarah Turner 14th July 1831. Sarah is the 3rd born of Elizabeth Wright & Willian Turner There is a family plot in Hanley (lot A221). I have his father as a Timber Merchant and your 1871 census info has him as a Miller .... Hmmmm.
I don't know how to fit in your Mary Turner 24 information or Charles Turner. That may be interesting to chase up.
• William Henry Palmer. This is also interesting and needs chasing up.

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Staffordshire / Descendants of William Turner. Where are they?
« on: Wednesday 29 September 21 04:01 BST (UK)  »
I am wishing to trace the decedents of William Turner (potter) of Longton 1762-1835. His father was the potter John Turner of Lane End whom I have good information on. It's been 16 years now and I have only managed to get forward a generation or so. I have never been able to trace what happened to the descendants of this brother of my GGGrandfather (John Turner the younger).
(Please note that Lane End is now known as Longton).

The details that I have are:
• Married Elizabeth Wright (1776-1835) on 12 Oct 1799. Her father John may be connected to the Wrights of Eyam Hall but I could never establish a link. He may have been a banker of Stafford.

Surviving children:
• Mary Ann Turner 1801-1878 - no children.
• John Turner 1803-? May not have survived.
• Sarah Turner 1806-1881 married William Palmer 1831 Stoke. They lived in Hanley. 6 children 

Other births to Sarah:
• William Turner Palmer 1833-1872 (nothing else known)
• Henry Palmer 1835-1881 married Clara Atkin 1880 (Burton on Trent ref 6b 449 Henry Palmer / Clara Atkin). Child: Elsie Maud Palmer 1882-1965. (No Children).
• Frederick Palmer who married Ellen Johnson 1864 Hartshill. Frederick had 6 children including Ada Sarah who married Theophilus Hughes 1889 Newcastle.
• Martin Charles Palmer 1838-1873 (I don't think ever married)

The 1851 Census finds her at Edmund St. Hanley with William Palmer 55 as head working as Registrar of BDM Hanley. Sons William 19 Architect & Surveyor b, Shelton ... Henry 18 Writing Clerk b. Shelton ... Frederick 14 b. Shelton ... Martin 13 b. Shelton. They also had a 24yo servant.

The 1871 Census reveals she was receiving a Annuity. Living in her home (26 Church St Hanley) were her 3 sons Martin (architect), Henry (Timber Merchant) & William (architect) (all were over 30+). There was also a 6yo Nephew (b. Newcastle) and a maid.

Ernest Eric Young married, 1912, Elsie Maud, daughter of Col. H. Palmer, J.P., V.D.

Any help in this search would be greatly appreciated.


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Staffordshire / Re: Elizabeth Wright ABT 1776-1835
« on: Sunday 07 October 18 22:59 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Phillip
Hmmm ... More proof that John Wright was a Stafford banker. It seems to prove that John Wright was a substantial man in the area.

I am from her husbands side of the family (William Turner's brother John) who married well into the Hyde family so I have always believed that there would be no reason that William also wouldn't have also married well.

My searches to find just who her Wright family was has avoided me because I found too many John Wrights to sort out just who was who so with luck I'm hoping that this Staffordshire forum may be able to surface some solid leads.

I had discovered a 22 Apr 1771 marriage of John Wright of parish of St Mary's Stafford to Mary Tomkinson parish of Eccleshall as a likely marriage of her parents but more proof would be needed.

Their children:
Martin John Wright 9 May 1772 (Proven)
Elizabeth Wright 3 Feb 1776 married my William Turner
Ann Wright 31 Mar 1777 (unproven)
Mary Wright 19 Sep 1779 (unproven)

I still believe this John Wright links into the Wrights of Eyam Hall somewhere.

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Staffordshire / Elizabeth Wright ABT 1776-1835
« on: Sunday 07 October 18 10:54 BST (UK)  »
I'm trying to find the family of Elizabeth Wright ABT 1776-1835

The only solid lead I have on her is her marriage:

Staffordshire Advertiser Staffordshire, England 12 Oct 1799
laft (last), St. Mary's church in this town, William Turner, Esq. of Lane End, Wright, eldest daughter John Wright Esq of Lane End, Wright, eldest daughter John Wright Esq. banker, Stafford.

1799 Marriage has William of Stoke upon Trent and Elizabeth of Stafford
By License.
Witnesses, D Bayley and Richard Downward Bayley
Witness 2 signed as Richard Downward Bayley Junior.

Lane End is now known as Longton and William is of the Turner family of potters in Lane End.

Burial: 19 Mar 1835 St John`s Longton.

Another scrap of information is unproven but it appears that a Martin John Wright is her brother.

At one time I believed she may have been related to the Wrights of Eyam Hall however I was unable to sustain a link.

I have had a previous topic posted here to try to find her descendants with only partial success.

Rob



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