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Limerick / Thomas Sheehan / Sheahan b.abt. 1813 in Co. Limerick
« on: Monday 11 January 10 23:04 GMT (UK)  »
Seeking birth or baptismal records for Thomas Sheehan / Sheahan / Sheahen b. about 1813 in County Limerick, Ireland.  This according to his tombstone inscription in Old Chelsea, Quebec, Canada, death date 1865.

He was married to Ann Breen in 1830 in St. Patrick's Parish, Nelson, Northumberland, Canada.  Marriage record does not give parents of either bride or groom, simply states that both are "of Ireland".

1851 Census of Canada lists:
1851/52 Hull, Ottawa County, Canada East (Quebec)
Thomas Sheahen, Carpenter, Ireland, R. Catholic, 39
Anne Sheahen, Ireland, R. CAtholic, 37
Michael Sheahen, N. Brunswick, R. Catholic, 19
Margaret Sheahen, N. Brunswick, R. Catholic, 18
Thomas Sheahen, N. Brunswick, R. Catholic, 15
Mary Sheahen, N. Brunswick, R. Catholic, 13
William Sheahen, N. Brunswick, R. Catholic, 10
John Sheahen, Canada, R. Catholic, 6 
Catherine Sheahen, Canada, R. Catholic, 4
James Sheahen, Canada, R. Catholic, 1
Daniel Sheahen, Ireland, R. Catholic, 67 (non-family member)

Any suggestions as to researching births in Limerick would be appreciated.


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What are the names and ages of the children of Jane and Robert Farrell?  You say you find them in the 1841 census, but not Jane.  when / where did Robert die?  Have you since found death record for Jane?

I am also searching for origins of a Robert Farrell, b. about 1804 and wife Jane Woods, b. about 1808, from census records.  In 1851, Robert, Jane and children are living in Canada - Ottawa County, Quebec.  Ottawa County is now defunct, but I have determined that the area is now a part of the city of Gatineau (previously known as Hull, Quebec), which is across the river from the Ontario city of Ottawa.  Jane appears as a widow in the household of son Richard in the 1881 census in Pontiac Co., Quebec. 

1851/52 Canadian census: Hull, Ottawa County, Quebec
Robert Farrel, Lumberer, Ireland, Methodist, 47 <1804/05>
Jane Farrel, Ireland, Methodist, 42 <1809/10>
Robert Farrel, Jr., Canada, 19 <1832/33>
Eliza Farrel, Canada, 15 <1836/37>
William Farrel, Canada, 12 <1840/1841>
Richard Farrel, Canada, 9 <1843/1844>

Any chance these are the same familiy?

Jane

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Perthshire / Re: John Robertson, b. abt. 1824 possibly Perth
« on: Wednesday 26 March 08 00:16 GMT (UK)  »
David,
Thanks for your reply.  Yes, the boys are named in order.  To our knowledge, these were their only children, but I suppose it is possible that there was another son before William Maxwell.

At your suggestion I conducted a search at Scotland's People for Robertson and Maxwell marriages between 1800 and 1827.

Two results:
5 Feb 1803 Ramsey Robertson & Margaret Maxwell, Bo'Ness, West Lothian
9 Mar 1810 William Robertson & Maxwell McMillan, Old Cumnock, Ayr

Searching children born to these couples I found :
one for Ramsey & Margaret:
Katherine, b. 29 Mar 1807 Bo'ness, West Lothian

six for William and Mary Maxwell McMillan (all b. Old Cumnock, Ayr):
Margaret, b. 4 Jan 1805
Jean, 1 Nov 1810
Sarah, 1 Mar 1814
Janet, 2 Jul 1815
William, 2 Apr 1819
Mary, 27 Jan 1826

 :-[ No John to either couple.  Still possible as there is a 7 year gap between Wm and Mary, but no further clues.

John Robertson, b. 1824 married in Ontario to Alice Plowman, who was born 1835 in Inverness, Megantic Co., Quebec, Canada to Irish parents with English ancestry, William Plowman and Margaret Manley. William Plowman b. Newtown, Kildare Co., Ireland and Margaret Manley b. Red Cross, Wicklow Co., Ireland.

I have another possible clue that I would like to throw out there.  My great-grandmother, Jennie Estelle Hart, married two of the sons of John Robertson, first Alfred Mortimer, then later Thomas Bertram.    In between she married a "cousin" named either George A. Robertson or Duncan A. Robertson. 

In the 1910 US census, George A. Robertson is living in the household with Jennie E. Robertson in Spokane, WA.

However, I have located birth records for her twins in the Washington Births, 1907-1919 on Ancestry.com, and the father is listed as Duncan A. Robertson.

Family lore says that the father of the twins was a cousin to Alfred and Thomas.  I am trying now to sort through the Duncan Robertson's  in the Canadian census in 1881 and 1901.  So far the only clue I found was one family in which paternal twins seem to run.  However, it is my understanding that this is a trait passed on by the mother, rather than the father, so this too could be a red herring.

I meant also to put out there that I found the marriage record for John Robertson and Alice Plowman in Port Burwell, Elgin Co., Ontario.  The witnesses at this marriage are listed as Mr. and Mrs. William Robertson.  No indication however that these are his parents or a brother and sister-in-law.

Hopefully, someone will recognize a name or two here and will reply at some time in the future.

Thanks for your suggestions!
Jane

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Perthshire / John Robertson, b. abt. 1824 possibly Perth
« on: Saturday 22 March 08 04:07 GMT (UK)  »
Greetings Rootschatters!

I am searching for the parents and siblings of John Robertson, b. about 1824 in Scotland.  Some family members say possibly in Perth or Galloway, though no one knows for sure.  We know that John emigrated to Canada, where he married Alice Plowman in Port Burwell, Elgin Co., Ontario.  The couple is enumerated on the 1861 and 1871 census in Bayham Township, Elgin Co.

On the off chance that John was still in Scotland at the time of the 1841 and/or 1851 census, I have conducted several searches.  The commonality of the name, and not knowing the names of his parents or any of his siblings is causing me a bit of grief!

Perhaps the names of his children will help other researchers recognize some connection that I have not.  They were all born in Canada (1856-1872).
William Maxwell ROBERTSON
George Edward ROBERTSON
Harry Duncan ROBERTSON
Alfred Mortimer ROBERTSON
Herbert Havelock ROBERTSON
Thomas Bertram (or Bennett) ROBERTSON

I have not been able to locate a death record for John in Canada or the US.  His widow and surviving children appear in Minnesota in the 1881 census.

Any suggestions welcome!
Jane

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Renfrewshire / History of Braidbar
« on: Saturday 22 March 08 03:53 GMT (UK)  »
My ancestors, Archibald HART and Helen REID HART, were living at "Braidbar Farm" when enumerated on the 1851 census.  A librarian in East Renfrew provided the following description:

Braidbar Farm was in the modern area of Giffnock, which is now in East Renfrewshire Council. East Renfrewshire sits to the south of Glasgow and Giffnock is now a densely populated, quite desirable residential area.

Since at least the 14th century it was part of the Barony of Eastwood which was owned by the Montgomery Family who became the Earls of Eglinton. Braidbar was an old division of the barony and goes back a long way. The name appears on a map of 1747 and would have been a small settlement. By the 1780s, most of the area had turned to enclosed farming and Braidbar Farm was one of the 9 or 10 farms which made up Eastwood. The area was predominantly agricultural. During the industrial revolution Giffnock was not affected as much as other areas in East Renfrewshire where the textile industry took hold. However, during the 19th century several sandstone quarries opened up in the area. The railway came in the 1860s and this really opened the area up to becoming a commuter suburb of Glasgow.

Braidbar was a working farm until 1960/61 when the then farmer Allan Stirling appears to have sold the farmland. The farmhouse survived a bit longer but is now completely gone. The name Braidbar survives in street names and in the name of Braidbar Primary School which stands close to where the farmhouse was.

I would be interested in any additional information and especially photos of the area from any period.

Thanks!
Jane

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Renfrewshire / Reid 1804 Cathcart
« on: Wednesday 19 March 08 03:04 GMT (UK)  »
I am seeking information on the family of Helen REID of Cathcart, b. abt. 1804.
A search of Scotland's People results in a list of 41 girls of this name born between 1801 - 1806. 

The nearest match, if she were born in Cathcart, is:
Helen REID b. 06 Nov 1804 in Cathcart, Scotland.  Parents as John REID and Jean FLEMING.  Other births listed for this couple:
Mary, 23 Feb 1800
John, 16 May 1802
Janet, 24 May 1807

What I know:
Helen REID married Archibald HART, b. 24 Dec 1804 Eastwood parish.  The marriage bann in Cathcart is dated 12 Jan 1824, and in Eastwood 3 Jan 1824.  Her parents are not listed here.

The couple had at least 11 children, the first born in Merrylee, Cathcart parish; most others in Thornlie Abbey parish, Paisley.  The family is found in the 1851 census on Braidbar Farm, Eastwood parish, Renfrewshire.

She died 1886 in McNab Township, Renfrew County, Ontario and her death record shows her age as 80 years, and does not give her parents names.  It only indicates her place of birth as Scotland. 

Trying to think of other ways to verify that Helen REID, daughter of John REID and Jean FLEMING is the same as the wife of Archibald HART.  Any suggestions? 

Regards,
Jane

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Lanarkshire / Re: Hart/Leitch families of Govan
« on: Sunday 16 March 08 03:33 GMT (UK)  »
I am searching for information on Thomas HART and Margaret BARR, who were married 1796 in Eastwood parish, Renfrewshire.  The following children listed below were born in Eastwood parish, according to ScotlandsPeople.gov:

James HART, b. 1796
Thomas HART, b. 1799
Susanna HART, b. 1801 ( m. James GILCHRIST- have marriage record)
Marion HART, b. 1802
Archibald HART, b. 1804 (m. Helen REID of Cathcart parish - have marriage record)
Margaret HART, b. 1807
George HART, b. 1809
William HART, b. 1811

Is James, the son shown above, b. 14 Nov 1796, also the husband of Jean / Jane Buchanan mentioned in post by Moscan, who are listed as the parents of James BARR HART? 

Does anyone have information regarding the families of the other children or know the whereabouts of the burials of Thomas and Margaret?

Son Archibald and family emigrated to Renfrew Co., Ontario Canada, as did James GILCHRIST and wife, Susanna HART.

I have obtained

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