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Thanks Ambly,
                       I have not done any research for a few weeks now as I have been very busy with work. I can tell you that I found my granddad's grave stone at southern cemetery, unfortunately no date of birth marked on, only date of death, 21/02/52.

I haven't tried to trace his first family because I do not know what his wifes name was, or when and where they were married. I assume he would have been married somewhere in Ireland probably Dublin. The only thing I know about his first marriage is that he had at least two sons, I don't know about any daughters. One son was called Bob or Robert and the other was called George. So I haven't got a lot to go on at the moment.

I have ordered the book from the library which was suggested to me in an earlier message, it gives a list of the Dublin metropolitan police. I am hoping it will give details of my great granddad and his family. If so it may help me to tie some information together. It will probably be a couple of weeks before I get this book. I will let you know if I find anything.

Regards
John.

Thanks for letting me know, that's saved me a few pounds. My only hope of getting his date of birth is to either find it on his grave stone or track down some other document that would have it on. Is it possible to obtain a copy of a medical card for example, or do you have any better idea's.

If I can be of any assistance to you please let me know as I really do appreciate your help.

Regards
John.

I visited my mother today, she told me that for a time Patric Brophy and Annie Brophy / Gilchrist lived in Scotland, Glasgow she thought. This leads me to think that my dad James Brophy and his half brother George Brophy may have had their births registered in Scotland.

Is there a similar index to the GRO one for Scotland that I can look up. If not is there any other way to confirm if my fathers birth was registered in Scotland.

Regards
John.

I have just realized, my Gran was born in Liverpool, and as she gave birth while travelling through Glossop she may have still been living in Liverpool at that time 1924 -25. Perhaps she registered the birth in Liverpool, that's the only explanation I can think of. The year discrepancy may just be someones error when stating his date of birth.

Regards
John

Thank you very much for all your replies, its given me quite a bit to look into. I didn't realize the census was not available for 100 years.

Just to clarify My Grandmother who went by the name Annie Brophy even though she was never married to Patrick had two sons. One son was James Joseph Brophy my father the other son was George Brophy. As far as I know Patrick was not Georges father but brought George up as his own. Patrick did have a son called Robert in his first marriage, he may have had other children too, but I know nothing of that side of the family.

I don't have a birth certificate for my father but I have come across his death certificate which gives his date of birth as 19/03/1925 it gives his place of birth as Glossop, in Derbyshire. I happen to remember my father telling me that he was born in a railway waiting room at a place called Dinting which I think is near Glossop.

I'm not too sure of the Gilchrist spelling but I may be able to find it with some more rooting through old papers. I have come across an old will of my fathers which was written 09/07/56, at that time it states his address as being 79, Cecil street, Chorlton-on-Medlock, Manchester.

CaroleW, you mentioned there was no record of an Ann Gilchrist with a son called James Brophy. Perhaps it's because she was going by the name of Ann or Annie Brophy, one more thing is that her son George was about a year older than my father James Brophy.

If the above information yields any more clues please let me know. In the mean time I am going to see if I can find any more old papers. Thanks to all your replies I have quite a few leads to follow, its really appreciated.

Regards
John.