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I think that just about wraps up this thread, except for Alice Bell, I don't have a death for her or a potential marriage, or children.

I actually knew Alice, I used to visit with Elsie in the late 60s early 70s, she always seemed at home in Wheelock and I have a feeling she probably stayed there, where as Elsie at some point returned to Manchester as she married my grandfather in 1930, although I don't know when she returned, the 1921 census might offer up some clues though.

Do you have Alice's exact date of birth, if so, you could use that date to look for her on the 1939 register.

Elsie’s 1930 marriage her address 110 Taylorson Street, Salford, one witness was
William BELL. If available online perhaps check the Electoral Register for that address.

It looks as if Alice is with her father and sister in Salford

Free index 1921 census

Salford Lancashire
Joseph   Bell   1882   Rodeheath, Cheshire,
Elizabeth   Bell   1881   Ambleside, Westmorland
Elsie   Bell           1906   Wheelock, Cheshire
Alice   Bell   1907   Wheelock, Cheshire

Parents of William Williams , Mother Mary {Robson Thomas ??) b.1830 S. Wales. Father John Thomas Williams[/b] believed to be born 1815 in Wales.

They had an older child John Thomas Williams possibly b.1857 d.1920 Wales

GRO indexes shows mmn if not illegimate - I can’t see a William mmn Robson there are quite a number of births with mmn Thomas born 1863. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Do you have his exact date of birth?

Looking at the census record his father John has middle initial ‘P’ 

Added there are these possibly birth entries for son John (none with mmn Robson)

WILLIAMS, JOHN  THOMAS     THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1857  M Quarter in CARMARTHEN  Volume 11A  Page 605

WILLIAMS, JOHN  THOMAS     THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in CARMARTHEN  Volume 11A  Page 654

WILLIAMS, JOHN  THOMAS     THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1857  D Quarter in CONWAY  Volume 11B  Page 480

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brought forward from reply 41 Mary & William on 1891 census


Piece   313 Folio   45
John C Dunnan 59   Head
Helen Dunnan 62   Wife
Margaret Smith 69   Boarder
Mary A Dinnen 32 Wid Boarder born Scotland
William H Dinnen 4 Boarder born China, Hong Kong B.S.

I didn't find Mary A & William H Dinnen on the 1901 census

Have you found them in 1901? If not, there is this 1901c entry to consider

7, George Place, Mile End Old Town, London & Middlesex
Walter E Oliver Head Baker b Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Mary Ann   Oliver 42  Scotland
Emily   Oliver Daughter General servant b Mile End, Middlesex
Walter Oliver Son   7 b Mile End, Middlesex
William H Dumer Step son 14   Messenger boy China Hong Kong
Ellen May Oliver Daughter b Mile End, Middlesex
Gertrude L Oliver Daughter b Mile End, Middlesex
Horatio J Oliver son  b Mile End, Middlesex
RG13 Piece number 329 Folio 105 Page 45

Looking at GRO indexes mmn not Killah

Gertrude Louisa Oliver mmn DENNING
Horatio John Oliver mmn DENNING

1911 census Edward W, Mary Ann, Gertrude L & Horatio John Oliver living
23 Ordnance Road Canning Town E, West Ham and Mary Ann pob King Edward Banffshire

Free index 1921 census the Oliver's are still in Canning Town, West Ham but Mary's pob has been incorrectly transcribed Berkshire

Not found an Oliver/Denning/Dinnen marriage entry 

unfortunatly no address all i know is mary ann dinnen was both georges wife and his son horatios wife was mary ann dinnen and maria howe was my grandfathers first wife

That is a shame was hoping that we could find them at an address Maria was Clara DINNEN's middle name she died age 27 Dec 1912 W.Ham

To rule Horatio John Dinnen's wife Mary Ann nee Killah out do you have her on 1901 census and do you know when she died?