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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The extensive BARFOOT family
« on: Yesterday at 10:22 »
Thank you Maddy for listing all the details about Frederick George Barfoot Snr.  :) I was going to take a look through the thread this morning, so no previous marriage!

Quote from: maddys52 on Yesterday at 04:18

Frederick George BARFOOT was baptised 25 July 1851 at Great Canford, Dorset, his mother Elizabeth Mary BARFOOT, single woman. Birth registered Poole (8/67) no mmn.

Elizabeth Mary  BARFOOT married Frederick DUKE 4 Nov 1851 at Great Canford (she was underage and  illegitimate too). Interestingly in the 1851 census Elizabeth Mary and her mother Amelia BARFOOT are visitors with Frederick DUKE at Corfe Hills, Canford.

As noted back at the beginning of the thread, Frederick and Elizabeth Mary DUKE baptise 4 children with surname DUKE in 1859, plus Frederick George BARFOOT on the same again - so he seems to have been baptised twice.

Frederick George BARFOOT can be found in the 1861 and 1871 census with Frederick and Elizabeth Mary DUKE in Canford (as Frederick G DUKE  in 1861 and George DUKE in 1871).

So there is 7 years between 1871 census in Canford and 1878 in Melton Mowbray where his first son(s) were born and died.


kevkev

Do you have any further information on the Frederick George Barfoot who was born and died 1878?

If he was Frederick and Fanny's child she would have been about 18, so if there is a marriage to be found I guess a time frame would be between 1876 -1878 and probably in Leicestershire :-\

I've looked on FreeBMD but NO Barfoot/Bend marriage to be found  ??? - there is a Frederick marrying a Fanny in Jun 1877 Melton M but their surnames are Rawson/Larkin and they can be found together on the 1881 census

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The extensive BARFOOT family
« on: Tuesday 23 April 24 21:25 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: KEVKEV on Tuesday 23 April 24 18:17 BST (UK)

Ladyhawk it was extremely kind of you to obtain the death information on Ellen Barfoot. It's so appreciated


kevkev no repayment necessary wanted to satisfy my own curiosity to know if it was Ellen’s mother who was the informant at her death :)

Quote from: KEVKEV on Tuesday 23 April 24 18:17 BST (UK)

The death information on daughter Ellen clears things up a bit - I think, but I have wondered...since we found no marriage for Fanny to Frederick George Barfoot nor a marriage of Emma to Frederick George even though she was 'Barfoot' when marrying Lomas only that Emma is 'widow' in 1896 a year after Frederick George died

could both sisters have been involved with Frederick George?


I don’t think so as Fanny’s sister Emma Bend’s marriage, census records and death have all been found for her you need to look back through the thread for all the details.

Quote from: KEVKEV on Tuesday 23 April 24 18:17 BST (UK)

We have a death for Emma Lomas but no Fanny with any familiar surname.
 
I still can't understand what happened to Fanny since we know there was a Fanny.


Quote from: maddys52 on Tuesday 23 April 24 10:17 BST (UK)

 So it is Emma, and not Anna LOMAS.

Still a mystery, but if it were my family I'm pretty sure I'd accept that for some reason unknown, Fanny has decided to go by the name Emma.


I have to agree with Maddy’s comment above that Fanny decided to go by the name of Emma

As for finding no marriage for Frederick George Barfoot to Fanny Bend perhaps her father did not approve or give his consent, she was only 20 when son FGB born 1880 as mentioned on your thread they probably just lived together.

Have you traced Frederick George Barfoot back from 1881 census could he have been married and not free to marry Fanny  ???

Quote from: KEVKEV on Tuesday 23 April 24 18:17 BST (UK)

Emma's father was Samuel not Sansum so did Emma fabricate her fathers name on her marriage certificate to Lomas as she did apparently for her then current age? (which I found some women did if they were somewhat older than the man?).


Possibly

Emma edit should have written Fanny Bend father named Sansom occupation on her baptism record Labourer
and Agricultural labourer on some of her siblings baptisms

Emma Barfoot father named Samuel occupation on her marriage record farm labourer

so both name & occupation very similar


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The extensive BARFOOT family
« on: Tuesday 23 April 24 09:46 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: maddys52 on Tuesday 23 April 24 04:57 BST (UK)
I agree, the death certificate for daughter Ellen BARFOOT could be interesting to see who the informant was.

Here you go KevKev & Maddy

Death

14 July 1898 Contractors Huts, New Midland Railway, Ardley U.D

Ellen BARFOOT age 13 years 10 months, daughter of Frederick George Barfoot (deceased) Railway Excavator (Foreman)

Informant

Emma LOMAS, Mother present at death same address

A mystery as to why she is not listed as Fanny Lomas ???

added a snippet from d/c

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The extensive BARFOOT family
« on: Monday 22 April 24 18:32 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: maddys52 on Saturday 20 April 24 03:28 BST (UK)

It is certainly a mystery. At the moment I'm inclined to going back to the idea that the Fanny (nee BEND) who is living with Frederick BARFOOT is the same person who later calls herself Emma (who marries George LOMAS).

It certainly is an intriguing mystery Maddy. Same as you I’m inclined to think that perhaps Fanny BARFOOT nee BEND is Emma LOMAS but no idea as to why she would change her name from Fanny to Emma or be using the Barfoot surname instead of Lomas in 1911.

I’ve searched 1911 census, 1921 census, 1939 register, looked for a marriage and death for a Fanny BARFOOT or BEND born c 1860 Bottesford  but nothing   ???
 
I keeping coming back to the Emma LOMAS from 1901 census, married to George who appears to be Emma BARFOOT on 1911 census, Fanny SMITH on 1891 census, Fanny BARFOOT on 1881c and Fanny BEND on 1871 & 1861 censuses, daughter of Samson, occ  Ag. Labourer & Ann

KevKev you posted BARFOOT/LOMAS m/c (reply 95) married on 26 July 1896, Emma widow father Samuel BEND, occ farm labourer

Quote from KevKev

“I don't have a death certificate for Ellen Barfoot but this is what I wrote down from the cemetery register about her burial:

'Ellen Barfoot 13 years 10 months buried July 17th 1898. Daughter of late F.G. Barfoot of contractors huts. Received from Anna Lomas'. I wonder who Anna Lomas was- may check into that...and why Fanny wasn't mentioned.”

Perhaps the 1898 death certificate for Ellen Barfoot might be helpful  :-\
Who was named as the informant? Was it her mother? If so, was she named Fanny or Emma?

Quote from bbart

Kevin, as to that "Anna Lomas" on the burial record for Ellen... I would think it should have said "Emma", perhaps she was misheard, or the handwriting was a bit messy.

Should Anna LOMAS be Emma LOMAS and more importantly is this Fanny Barfoot?






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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The extensive BARFOOT family
« on: Thursday 18 April 24 23:57 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: KEVKEV on Thursday 18 April 24 01:39 BST (UK)

I can't find a birth for an Emma Bend around 1858 with father Samuel or even father Sansum.

Have I been mistaken all these years and Fanny and Emma are not sisters?
   
It looks like I need to do some backtracking.
       
Now I need to find where I originally got information that Fanny Bends father was Sansun.
I hope I did proper research all those years ago when working on Fanny's line.


Haven’t got chance this evening to add all the details to these baptisms in Bottesford Leicestershire for

Betsy
1865
Sansom Bend occ agricultural lab. Ann late Dent

Emma born 22 Dec 1863
1864
Sansom Bend Ann late Dent

Edit to add

Father Sansom occupation labourer

GRO index

BEND, EMMA       DENT 
GRO Reference: 1864  M Quarter in GRANTHAM  Volume 07A  Page 447

Fanny born 07 Jan 1860
1860
Sansom Bend occ labourer Ann late Johnson

Edit to add gro index shows mmn Dent not Johnson as stated on baptism record

BEND, FANNY       DENT 
GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in GRANTHAM UNION  Volume 07A  Page 424

George
1862
Sansom Bend Ann late Dent

Hannah Bend
1874
Sansom Bend occ agricultural lab Ann late Johnson

Mary
1855
Sansom Bend Ann late Dent

Sansom
Bend
1873
Sansom Ann late Dent

Sarah Bend
1858 Bottesford
Sansom Bend Ann late Johnson

Thomas
1867 Bottesford
Sansom Bend Ann late  Dent

will take another look tomorrow

Added There’s no baptism for an Emma Bend 1858 father named Samuel in Bottesford Leicestershire



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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Thursday 18 April 24 15:25 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: NorthernGeezer on Monday 15 April 24 20:30 BST (UK)
I think that just about wraps up this thread, except for Alice Bell, I don't have a death for her or a potential marriage, or children.

I actually knew Alice, I used to visit with Elsie in the late 60s early 70s, she always seemed at home in Wheelock and I have a feeling she probably stayed there, where as Elsie at some point returned to Manchester as she married my grandfather in 1930, although I don't know when she returned, the 1921 census might offer up some clues though.


Do you have Alice's exact date of birth, if so, you could use that date to look for her on the 1939 register.

Elsie’s 1930 marriage her address 110 Taylorson Street, Salford, one witness was
William BELL. If available online perhaps check the Electoral Register for that address.

It looks as if Alice is with her father and sister in Salford

Free index 1921 census

Salford Lancashire
Joseph   Bell   1882   Rodeheath, Cheshire,
Elizabeth   Bell   1881   Ambleside, Westmorland
Elsie   Bell           1906   Wheelock, Cheshire
Alice   Bell   1907   Wheelock, Cheshire



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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 17:37 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Milliepede on Friday 12 April 24 11:41 BST (UK)

Can I ask whereabouts her mother died in 1907?  Only there was a Clutton death in Manchester which might link the two.  Think it was Jane but right age.

Quote from: NorthernGeezer on Friday 12 April 24 13:26 BST (UK)
Just looked through my notes and I cant find the evidence, I'll have to do a re-trawl I think.


Not that this helps with finding the correct death entry for Mary Ann Bell

For info.

The 1911 census with Elsie & Alice Bell with their Aunt Sarah Jane Clutton
they are listed as granddaughters and daughter. If you look at the front schedule page address
14 Game Street Wheelock Sandbach name Mrs Sheckleston.
I believe she is Sarah Jane Clutton's mother

1911 census Sarah J Sheckleston age 53 born Renbury, Cheshire married  to James Sheckleston (years married 2) can't make out the name of the vessel

Marriages for Sarah Jane

Jonah Barlow spouse Sarah Jane Clutton
Sep 1903 Nantwich    8a   685
from Cheshire BMD married Warmingham, St Leonard

James Sheckelstone spouse Sarah Jane Barlow
Mar 1909 Congleton Volume 8a Page   44
from Cheshire BMD Congleton, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended

Death
Sheckleston Sarah Jane b1857 d1944 Crewe, Cheshire
edited - digital image £2.50  available from GRO

Electoral register  Wheelock,Cheshire year 1921
surname Shackleston
James & Sarah Jane address The Locks

Free index 1921  Wheelock, Cheshire
James Shackelston 1852 Middlewich, Cheshire
Jane   Shackelston 1856 Wrenbury, Cheshire

Electoral Register Year 1930 Sarah Jane Shackleston address 595 Crewe Road
also at that address Sarah Jane & Ernest Hatton (Sarah Jane Clutton married Ernest Hatton 1911 at Wheelock, Christ Church). Probate record 4 Mar 1947 for  Sarah Jane Hatton address 595 Crewe Road

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: William “Willie” Williams B.1863
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 07:26 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Chris Blaylock on Friday 12 April 24 21:37 BST (UK)

Parents of William Williams , Mother Mary {Robson Thomas ??) b.1830 S. Wales. Father John Thomas Williams[/b] believed to be born 1815 in Wales.

They had an older child John Thomas Williams possibly b.1857 d.1920 Wales

GRO indexes shows mmn if not illegimate - I can’t see a William mmn Robson there are quite a number of births with mmn Thomas born 1863. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Do you have his exact date of birth?

Looking at the census record his father John has middle initial ‘P’  ???

Added there are these possibly birth entries for son John (none with mmn Robson)

WILLIAMS, JOHN  THOMAS     THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1857  M Quarter in CARMARTHEN  Volume 11A  Page 605

WILLIAMS, JOHN  THOMAS     THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in CARMARTHEN  Volume 11A  Page 654

WILLIAMS, JOHN  THOMAS     THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1857  D Quarter in CONWAY  Volume 11B  Page 480

Order this entry as a:   
Certificate of selected entry   
PDF of selected entry   
digital image of selected entry 

All above birth entries have option of digital image cost £2.50

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: William “Willie” Williams B.1863
« on: Friday 12 April 24 23:16 BST (UK)  »
Is this your Williams family in Ohio?

1870 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6LB-HS6

1880 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8S1-JZC

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