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Gloucestershire / Re: What happened here?
« on: Thursday 08 February 24 14:38 GMT (UK)  »
Newspapers could make mistakes in 1912, just as now.
Or perhaps the parents thought "All four of our little girls need to be remembered and recorded" so they just registered them all despite one having been stillborn.
Sad tale though.

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It was also quite common for babies or newborns who died to be placed in a coffin with any local adult who died at the same time. You may be able to deduce where baby John was buried by looking at the burial register for other burials within a day or two of the baby's death, but I think locating the whereabouts of either child now rests on finding a document or record by absolute fluke. However the children obviously meant a lot to their parents and I think you can be assured they are buried somewhere in the Willoughton graveyard.

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Do you know where the older child was buried?  It's unlikely  the baby would have had her own grave, so maybe she is with her brother and possibly that stone may have a reference to her.

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It is possible that the newspaper left out the word 'stillborn'.  It was not unusual to advertise the births of stillborn children and there would be no birth or death registered.

Debra  :)

That was my thought too.  I think your only faint hope is to find a family gravestone on the off chance that the stillborn girl is mentioned on that - perhaps buried with grandparents or the older boy who also died young.

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Dublin / Re: Áine Malone Fitzgerald - deathless
« on: Friday 12 January 24 20:16 GMT (UK)  »
Wonder where you're looking?  Civil births are only available until 1922 and marriages until 1947. Probably too early for the Fitzgerald children, who would have been born after 1928 and marrying after 1948 .

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Dublin / Re: Áine Malone Fitzgerald - deathless
« on: Friday 12 January 24 14:04 GMT (UK)  »

Áine's mother, Mary Malone, formerly Connor, gives her age as 45, and the number of years she was married as 30 in the 1911 census, which suggests that she was 15 when she married.
In Theo's peripatetic addresses, I forgot to add one request to send his pension to Ballycotton Lighthouse, which he was painting at the time…
Here's Áine and Theo's grave in Glasnevin, with the Leeson Park Ave address; she was obviously a little discreet about her age at a time when marrying a man a couple of years younger than you was not done https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/249364350/aine-fitzgerald
Two points:  people before the twentieth century were much less aware and concerned about their ages than we are today, and my experience with my own Irish ancestors suggests the Irish were particularly unconcerned. Or maybe they thought they'd be economical with the truth on official forms just to confuse the authorities!!
Secondly the death notices and registrations were not done by the deceased themselves; if several people were involved, the notices were even more likely to be inconsistent.  The marble slab on the grave looks quite new, so whoever had it made may not have personally known much about Aine and Theo.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Annie Park - b. between 1870 and 1873 in Doncaster
« on: Monday 08 January 24 16:15 GMT (UK)  »
Annie PARK, Age 21 (b. 1870), spinster, address 4 Tower Street, father Thomas PARK - Vety? Surgeon

This surely means Thomas Park is a veterinary surgeon...so maybe look for grooms, animal doctor etc

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Gloucestershire / Re: A 1939 Thornbury mystery
« on: Saturday 30 December 23 12:30 GMT (UK)  »
 I can't see Brock Holt either, but it does seem to be in Almondsbury parish.

There is a grave in Almondsbury parish churchyard, possibly for the parents or other relatives with a stone that has/had the inscription;

In loving memory of
Joseph Helman
who died September 30th 1902
Aged 63 years
“Oh what the joy and the glory must be
those endless Sabbaths the blessed ones see
Crown for the valiant, to weary ones rest
God shall be all & in all ever blessed”.
Also of Sarah Ann
the beloved wife of the above
who died May 9th 1924
Aged 87 years.

Here's the link in case there are any more people of interest there;
  https://almondsburychurch.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Almondsbury-Graves.pdf

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Unclear Christian Name
« on: Sunday 15 October 23 19:15 BST (UK)  »
It might be worth bearing in mind that the enumerator copied details out from the  info he had collected from the householder (or whoever filled in the census form) onto the census sheets we see today. He could easily have made a mistake or been unable to read his own handwriting etc. If you compare William and Matthew, they are quite similar shaped words - not like muddling up John and Peter for example.  I wouldn't throw this record out without more reason to cast doubt on it.

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