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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
« on: Saturday 13 October 18 00:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi Both
Thanks for your kind input again, Dobfarm. I have located the place name on the link you sent.  Strangely enough I joined a golf club today which is located within 1/2 mile from Priest Royd, but the only way to recce the area is by foot. I didn't have my outdoor gear on so may investigate at a later date.
I have just looked up the meaning of Royd and is a cleared area within a forest, close to a village, with Norse/Old English origins. Looking at the Pitts Beck siting, its much closer to Netherton village than Priest Royd. I will get my boots on and recce this as well, plus may visit the pub in the village!!

Margaret,
My brother, who instigated the research, is sceptical as to the connection with William and Elizabeth. He says he needs to find evidence of the abode of their sons wife, Margaret, otherwise he will keep placing a '?' in the family tree!

Pitts beck valley is close to the village of Netherton and no doubt would have more wooded areas in the 1770's with clearings could have been called Royd in Pitts beck valley  ???

Also fits the header of thread name -exactly on location

Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
                                V                      V
                           Pitts beck   or   Priest Royd

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
« on: Saturday 13 October 18 00:33 BST (UK)  »
As another alternative to locations named Royd near Thornhill.

Pitts Royd starts 'Pitts' - so is 'Pitts beck' the location area of Pitts Royd based on logic.  ???
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In Netherton is Pitts beck, the beck source starts at South lane, Star Inn. Netherton

Just along South lane from the Star Inn to top of Green lane are some farm buildings (on link map        B.M.354 . 47 ) not named at the top of Pitts Beck

https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948325

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sugarfizzle - Margaret

Maybe if you write a letter to the landlord or pub manager of the 'Star Inn' in Netherton for him/her to ask the local pup drinkers if they have ever heard of Pitts Royd (Just a thought for the price of 2 stamps with a stamped address envelope for a reply to your letter you send   ???  :)

Happy to write a letter, but it looks like Michael lives nearby and could perhaps ask at the pub.

But I'm not sure why either of us would look elsewhere.  You said that - "Priest Royd is local pronounced like Pitts Royd local slang", so I thought we had found the place!

I'm getting confused, the brain cells aren't what they used to be.

Regards Margaret

Hi Margaret,

The lack of any buildings at Priests Royd is one concern! on old maps and the fact the beck in Netherton is called 'Pitts beck' which stands to reason the stream must run down a valley, clough or a dale that may have Pitts in the name of the place or farm to investigate local peoples knowledge.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
« on: Friday 12 October 18 08:54 BST (UK)  »
As another alternative to locations named Royd near Thornhill.

Pitts Royd starts 'Pitts' - so is 'Pitts beck' the location area of Pitts Royd based on logic.  ???
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In Netherton is Pitts beck, the beck source starts at South lane, Star Inn. Netherton

Just along South lane from the Star Inn to top of Green lane are some farm buildings (on link map        B.M.354 . 47 ) not named at the top of Pitts Beck

https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948325

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sugarfizzle - Margaret

Maybe if you write a letter to the landlord or pub manager of the 'Star Inn' in Netherton for him/her to ask the local pup drinkers if they have ever heard of Pitts Royd (Just a thought for the price of 2 stamps with a stamped address envelope for a reply to your letter you send   ???  :)

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
« on: Friday 12 October 18 00:40 BST (UK)  »
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
« on: Thursday 11 October 18 05:05 BST (UK)  »
Priest Royd is local  pronounced like Pitts Royd local slang as 'How Royd beck' runs down Stony Royd Pitt (at Thornhill Edge chapel) to 'Smithy Brook'

 Anyway all the Royd's are around 'How Royd beck' (Starts at Lower Whitley then runs towards and joins Smithy brook towards Netherton below Thornhill village on the hill above. The hamlet (Village) called Smithy Brook is on the connecting lane from Thornhill village at as Frank Lane to Netherton village.

"How Royd Beck' starts at Lower Whitey at How Royd lane

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Thanks for your reply

George could have been Anglican baptized as an adult (re-baptized) to support his deep establishment involvement in Selby parish abbey/town affairs

The question that arise are:

Qu-1) Was George a fully fledged baptized Anglican of another parish who married Sarah Russel of Selby Anglican parish.

(If George was involved in Abbey/church/parish affairs in the Selby parish chest records (being an estabished trade businessman in Selby parish seems likely) - this would indicate this but if not ? then it would indicated Qu - 2 as below ?)

Qu-2) Was George from parents of nonconformist faith (Parent beliefs ) who was baptized (George did not follow his parents belief as he grew up  ? ) in nonconformity in that religion but not practising it, who married Sarah Russel of an Anglican faith who followed her wishes as to the their children's religious  teaching and baptisms - Yet! very unusual for children not to follow their father religious faith of his church teaching them years in history.



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Hi Mark

Back to obvious basics -with 2 seeming separately religious influenced periods of his married life post 1815

Going back to George Hood of Selby married aged 28 (est born 1787 +/- 1 year) to Sarah Russel in Selby Anglican abbey, with all his children baptized Anglican, whom 2 of the boy sons James and William married Quaker wife's. George Hood died age 60 ( est born 1785) Sept 1845 in Selby buried in Selby Quaker burial ground as a non Quaker member - his wife Sarah Hood (nee Russel) died in 1879 aged 86 in Selby with Quaker daughter in law being the person at her death and also buried in the Quaker Selby burial ground.

Looking at the religious picture above George's early married life was Anglican assumed by bringing up a family of children and kept baptizing them in the Anglican church/abbey in Selby over many years . George was a pillar of the community as a tradesman & businessman in Selby through them early married years.

Thus the big question -was George baptized an Anglican (big thing them days)

Was George named in doc's as involved in parish activities in any chest records 1815 to 1830 ( Held at they abbey ) in years 1815 to say early years to 1830- then after later marriage years 1831 to 1845 with ' daughter('s) in law' with Quaker influence in his family



Other than by contacts/friends/ or association to third parties: there seems to be no record of George been linked as of him practicing in nonconformity of other religions apart from his Quaker daughter in law's influence on his religious beliefs in his life or his family members

 

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1747 - 1860
"All surviving muster rolls and crew agreements for British-registered merchant ships up to and
including 1860 are held by the National Archives (BT 98). Muster rolls exist for 1747-1851, but prior  to 1800, only those for Dartmouth, Liverpool, Plymouth, Shields and Scarborough have survived.
The earliest crew list for Liverpool is dated 1772 with crew agreements available from 1835. There is no name index of either vessels or persons at present.
"

Hull History Centre, holds Ships Muster Rolls from 1747 onward, sailing to and from Hull. If you know the Vessel name, Hull H.C., has a set of Indexes (for 18th Century).

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Unfortunately, those seen in TNA BT 98, dates 1779 to 1783 (spread over 3 Vols.) are incomplete and John Hood sailing from Shields and Northern Ports could not be found.

BT 98/130 Muster Roll Northern Ports Shields &c. 1779 - 1782 Folio 95 Three Brothers 7th March 1780, Joshua Hudd.



Morland Turner (nee Maudland Hood) Descent information (attached), when first daughter Elizabeth Turner was baptised at Selby in April 1795.

Looked at the actual Scarborough baptism record of 24 Dec 1775, [born] 15 August and Maudland Hood was the Daughter of John and Eliz: Hood.

John Hood Abode Selby, aged 82, when he was buried at Selby 4th April 1819, was likely baptised Scarborough on 22 March 1738 with Father George Hood.
[Hull Muster Rolls confirm John Hood, Abode Selby was born Scarborough]

An unchecked Scarborough bapt of William Hood 1741 gives parentage as George Hood & Maudlin.
An unchecked Scarborough bapt of Richard Hood 1745 gives parentage as George Hood & Magdalene
[Maudlin at marriage].


A 1731 York Marriage Bond (now seen) gives me George Hood and Maudlin Spencer of Scarborough.


Hello All

Thanks dobfarm, but trying to concentrate on John Hood of Selby, Mariner, born Scarborough, but I'm not ruling out John Hood, Mariner to Elizabeth Gibson, marriage, also a relative might help a Bankrupt relation. Also, their Daughter Elizabeth Hood marrying William Cook.

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Fortunately, John Hood of Selby, born Scarborough was a Master Mariner of his Vessels sailing mainly from Hull early 1770s to 1790 and the vessel names are also listed in the newspaper, with the Masters surnames.

A Master (and crew) can be found fairly quickly at Hull, if you know their Vessel name, as they have a separate set of Indexes on their Hull Searchroom shelves, which gives the Muster Roll Volumes and Folio numbers for Vessels by Vessel name only and which usually confirm the Master also in their Indexes.

Scarborough Muster Rolls are the next step.

Ships to the Greenland Fishery
It is possible now, that there is no Greenland connection to my Hoods, although ships were sailing to Greenland from Whitby from mid 18th Century and a John Hood was on a ship from Greenland in 1789. I have put this information on, as it may be useful for others.

Scottish
However, my Father was quite definite we have Scottish descent somewhere in our ancestry.

The name Maudlin is of Scottish origin and the names George, John, William and Richard are all names appearing in the Scarborough Hoods and also names of the Sons of my George Hood.

Maudin / Maudlin is also in the Scottish National Dictionary ...
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/maudin

George Hood of Selby said in his 1841 Return he was born Yorkshire. The absence of a local baptism when John Hood of Selby, Mariner, had association with Nonconformists and also Presbyterian and Wesleyan records missing, may simply mean no Selby baptism record.-------------------(possible)

Current Actions
Awaiting two Wills ordered, of two Vessel owners (that John Hood of Selby was sailing) and requested George Hood's signature in a Barnard Castle document, for comparison.

Mark


Hi Mark,

My maternal granddad was baptized in ( not Wales the country) Wales village near Rotherham Yorkshire  Jan 1868 to his parents who married in the same Wales village church  June 1867 
In all census post 1871 c - granddad said he was born in Bolsover Derbyshire.

The mystery solved itself in the 1939 register - when granddad put his date of birth down a 7th Nov 1866 Bolsover ( Birth event un-registered with GRO or no birth certificate) - obviously born illegitimate to my Gt grandmother in Derbyshire and baptized in Yorkshire.
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Thus if George Hood said he was born in Yorkshire  he could have been baptized in Durham (Gateshead)

Until George Hood baptism 1st Oct 1786 in Gateshead is proved to have had a life as another George Hood, may have married or buried as an infant, or buried under the age of 21 years as a youth or was buried as an adult post 1807 -its going to be difficult to proved he was not your George Hood who married 1815 age 28 to Sarah Russel of Selby

Strong evidence is the father of George Hood baptized 1st Oct 1786 Gateshead being a John Hood had not baptized any other children in Gateshead +/- 20 years of 1786

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There should be documents somewhere   ??? for ships on the Tyne 1780 to 1790 for shipping movement arrival/depart from/to ports, docking dates, ship manifests and crews. (Similar to ones you have found for Hull)

When your sat on a definite (one off baptism only +/- 10 years for a dad John Hood ) George son of John Hood baptism Oct 1786 Gateshead on the river Tyne

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