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Lancashire / Re: Eaves Lane - Chorley - History
« on: Thursday 13 July 17 09:37 BST (UK)  »
The entry is in a section of a book on Lancashire, the section titled "The Chorley Survey.  Being An Abstract of the Survey taken on the 15th February 1652 of the Estate of Richard Chorley of Chorley Esquire".  Printed by The Record Society in 1896.  It is available online from

The columns on the right hand side are FYNE / RENT / BOONES.  The Boones heading has further columns, being SHEARING / HENS / CAPONS / COALES

So an upfront 'fee' paid to Richard Chorley for granting this lease - of 70 pounds.  One wonders about the industry needed to earn back such a large sum if it was land for agriculture.

All three names "soe long live" were young people - John Ainscow was 20, Alice Wareing was 17, and Thomas Gillebrand was 23.  After John Ainscow died, the next lease in 1704/5 - went to Thomas Mason, who had married Alice Wareing in 1692.

A son of this John Ainscow - Miles Ainscow born 1702 - (if I have the right person) - is on record in 1745 and 1746 (Lancashire Archives) being in dispute with neighbours for his attempts to "divert the course of an ancient waterway".  That waterway described on a document for "Sketch plans of a water course from Eaves Lane to Bagganley Brook, in Chorley, with reference to a dispute between James Parker and Miles Ainscow".

So Eaves Lane again an area of commercial interest it would seem.

Lancashire / Eaves Lane - Chorley - History
« on: Thursday 13 July 17 03:58 BST (UK)  »
Richard Chorley on 2nd February 1690, granted a lease over a property, to James Ainscow, for the life of his son John Ainscow.
The property was "in the Eaves Lane in C. (Chorley) late Tootells, formerly Wrennowes, and anciently Wareing Woods".
The names Tootell, Wrennowe and Wareing are of families of note in the area, so it appears the area took on the names of its occupants at different times.
The land was 9 acres, 1 rood, 24 perches.  Today being 3.8 hectares.

Question 1:  Do I assume that this was just an area of land that was being leased for agriculture ?  And whatever this means : the "Boones" were "shearing x 2" and "hens x 2".

Question 2: Whilst the lease was undertaken by James Ainscow for the life of his son John, there are two other people mentioned - "Ailese daughter of John Waring and Thomas Gillibrand son of Robert Gill.: soe long live".  I don't know why James Ainscow would be adding these extra people to the lease.  As it turned out, the lease lasted until 1704 when John Ainscow died.

Given that my Ainscow roots have been traced back to Chorley in this era, I was just curious as to what they were up to.  They seem to have been a family of some means, being involved in this lease, being Church Wardens, able to at least write their name, and to leave wills.

Cheers - Lindsay / Australia

Devon / Re: APPLEPAN - A Devon Location ?
« on: Sunday 04 December 16 01:32 GMT (UK)  »
Oh I see - Yes.
"Ipplepen is a village and civil parish located within the Teignbridge district of the county of Devon."
11 miles from Brixham.
Thanks very much for that.
A devonshire accent to a London ear can turn Ipplepen into Applepan ?

Devon / APPLEPAN - A Devon Location ? COMPLETED
« on: Sunday 04 December 16 01:16 GMT (UK)  »
In a document dated 1 Feb 1851 (Merchant Navy Certificate) - the place of birth has been given as APPLEPAN, DEVON.  In two places on the documents.
Anyone have any clue as to this location ?
My belief is that the family was from Brixham.
Certainly, this person was married at Brixham in 1829.
Cheers all

Breconshire / Re: Williams : Clockmakers of Trecastle
« on: Thursday 21 May 15 05:11 BST (UK)  »
Huge thanks to GS for providing two pages from the book "Roots and Branches" by Tommy Evans re the Clockmakers of Llywel.
From it and subsequent research, I think I have the Llywel part of the family correct now:
Griffith son of David
William son of Griffith 1707 - 1786.  (Burial register Llywel "William Griffith David of Ynnsfain Trayan-Glaes clock maker was buried March ye 13th 1786")
William Griffith had 3 known sons:
Griffith William/s - abt 1730 - 1788
John William/s - dont know his details other than he was a clockmaker.
Rees William/s - 1737 - 1827
Sons Griffith and John moved away from Llywel parish.
Son Rees, and his son Evan, carried on the clockmaking family in the Llywel area until 1849.
As to son Griffith William/s - clockmaker - he lived at Newport Monmouthshire.  His will of 1788 mentions a wife Jane and son John.  Jane dies in 1804 - with her son John still as a watchmaker.
Griffith Williams 1730 - 1788 had an earlier marriage.
I only know of one child from that marriage : Evan Williams 1749 - 1836.
Evan Williams - clockmaker and watchmaker - had four sons - all following their father's profession.
William Williams 1773 - 1852 Brecon, Griffith Williams 1778, Evan Williams 1780, Rees Williams 1782.
And these sons had Williams children who carried on the tradition.
Evan Williams descendants as clock and/or watch makers, can be found at Newport, Neath, Brecon, Crickhowell, Swansea.  And probably more that I don't know of.
It has been a fascinating journey to trace the family history for my gg grandfather - William Griffith Williams 1833 Newport - 1904 Brisbane, Queensland.  Who himself was apprenticed to his uncle William Williams of Brecon to learn watchmaking in the 1840s.  And all this to come to light in the lifetime of his great grandaughter - my mother - who celebrated her 98th birthday yesterday, and who can still recall the family stories of the "Williams from Wales" side of the family.
Lins / Australia.

Breconshire / Re: Williams : Clockmakers of Trecastle
« on: Wednesday 06 May 15 00:48 BST (UK)  »
Thank you GS.
I found a photo of Ynysfaen when it was occupied by the Humphrey family.
Subsequently renovated by an American couple, Bill and Gray Felstiner, who sold it in 2002.
Since then it appears to be a camping site - from which I found another photo.
As to William Griffiths of Devynock mentioned by Theophilus Jones - I have found that he was alive in 1805.  Which means another person as William son of Griffith son of David "clock maker" from Ynysfaen was buried at Llywel in 1786.
And I found a will for Griffith Williams of Newport - clockmaker - who died Dec 1788.  His will mentions his wife Jane, and son John.  (Welsh Archives have it incorrectly transcribed as Griffith Jones).  I assume this Griffith Williams of Newport is the son number 3) in my original post.
Looking forward to any further information

Breconshire / Williams : Clockmakers of Trecastle
« on: Monday 04 May 15 09:55 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to put together my Williams ancestry and whilst I can find tantalising snippets about the Williams family of clock and watch makers of Trecastle (and Brecon and Newport), I cant quite work out the earlier generations of the family.
If anyone has a copy of the book about the families in the  Llywel area "Roots and Branches" by T.O.Evans, you might let me know if there is anything of this family, to justify me getting a copy for myself.
The first mention of the family I find is a WILLIAM GRIFFITH a clockmaker - who was supposedly from Devynock. I know that he was the son of GRIFFITH DAVID (patronymic).
William Griffith was buried at St David's, Llywel : "William Griffith David of Ynnsfain Trayan-Glaes clock maker was buried March ye 13th 1786".
There were supposedly 4 sons : 1) William, 2) Rees, 3) Griffith and 4) John.
1) William Williams buried Llywel 1827 aged 92 (1735).
I dont know anything more about William Williams.
2) Rees Williams buried Llywel 1827 aged 90 (1737).
My 5 x ggrandfather.  I know more of him and his family history.
3) Griffith Williams.
Active in Newport until 1795.  I assume that is his year of death - no more info, apart from finding a photo of one of his clocks made in Newport in 1775.
4) John Williams buried Llanfihangel Nant Bran 1822 aged 81 (1741).
If I have the right person: he lived at Berthddu  or Berth-ddu in Ysclydach area of the Llywel parish and I have worked out a bit of his history.

I know of the early Williams connection to the property known as Ynysfain / Ynysfaen, near Cwmwysg in Traean-glas area of Llywel parish.

A number of descendants of this family were also clock and / or watch makers.

I have scoured the Llywel parish register looking for baptisms for the four sons of William Griffith - patronymic in mind - to no avail.  And also Devynock (Defynnog).  Any clues ?

Regards : Lins / South Australia.

Since posting : I have found in the Jones - History of Brecknock (Vol II Part II) - a reference to a William Griffiths in the section on Devynock.  Is he the same William Griffith mentioned above ?  I am not sure of the year that the text is written by Theophilus Jones, in relation to the date of death of my William Griffith in 1786.

Page 678 : "The above Rees Williams was sheriff of Breconshire in 1611 and was the ancestor of William Griffiths, late of Blancrai, now living near Devynock village".

Page 678 : when describing the interior of Devynock church -  "Above, on the wall, is a small tablet to the memory of two children of the before named William Griffiths ~ ~ ~ ".

Thank you Gadget
My 'brick wall' for the past six years, has been trying to find my Richard Parry (Joiner) who married Mary Davies at Ellesmere in 1792.  Both OTP.
Mary Davies was of Eastwick (1771 - baptised Ellesmere).
Richard and Mary had 5 children baptised at Ellesmere(1793 - 1801), and a further 6 children  in Chester (1803-17).
Richard named his first two sons - Samuel and John.
Thus my interest in Samuel Parry - of 'The Rock'.  (No obvious son Richard Parry can I find).
With some Shropshire records now at FindMyPast, I came across the burials (1836 and 1838 at Dudleston) of a Richard Parry aged 67 (burial 1836) of Criftins, and a Mary Parry aged 67 (burial 1838) of Eastwick.
It had never occurred to me that they might end up back in their original Shropshire surrounds.
Thus my interest in knowing more of this area.
Thanks for your interest : Lindsay

Thanks Kay & Gadget - I knew about Rock Farm, and if it is the only place near St Martins that can claim the title - then that answers my question.
With families from 'The Rock' in the St Martins parish records having occupations Collier / Taylor / Weaver / Mason - I assumed that 'The Rock' was a residential area.
When you look at Rock Farm on the map - it is a bit remote from more populated areas.
(Or perhaps not so in that era.)
The main bread winner of these families is not engaged in farming.
Multiple families living 'of The Rock' in the same period (mid 1700s).
(Which ties in with the fact that the property was rented out from 1719.  Multiple tennants ?).
Perhaps there were enough buildings at the farm site or nearby to allow them to all claim the address 'of The Rock'.
And I suspect these families were using both St Martins and Dudleston churches.
Which makes sense given about equal distances from Rock Farm.
(And the EDWARDS ancestry re Great Farm / Rock Farm memorial in Dudleston church).
The current main Rock Farm house was built abt 1792 - so the families I have been researching were living in this locale prior to that date.  Rock Farm has taken its name from the area - known as The Rock, it would seem.  Rock Farm had been previously known as Great Farm.
I was able to view the Restoration Home episode on YouTube.
My interest has been looking into the PARRY families of the area, including Samuel Parry (Mason).

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