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Shropshire / Re: Marriage for John WINDSOR and Ann, Welshampton.
« on: Wednesday 30 January 19 23:50 GMT (UK)  »
The marriage licence for John Winsor (sic) has him as a servant.
The co-signatory to that licence was Charles Woodcock - in the document named a Gentleman.
Charles Woodcock was himself married in 1809 at Tarvin - again by licence - and in that document he is named as a Farmer - of Guilden-Sutton.  (His marriage signature matches the John Windsor licence document signature).
With John Windsor at Welshampton being an Agricultural Labourer - might it be the case that in 1809 he was in that occupation at Guilden-Sutton ?
Was the term 'servant' considered a bit more classy than Ag Lab ?
John Windsor being originally of Hanmer - in that era - in the Diocese of Chester - is able to get a licence if he had been working in the area for some time with the support of Charles Woodcock ?

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Shropshire / Re: Marriage for John WINDSOR and Ann, Welshampton.
« on: Wednesday 30 January 19 02:19 GMT (UK)  »
The 1841 census location of Beaumere I suspect is Balmer Heath - in the burial records for this family - it gets shown as Balmer.
The Windsor families in this area using the Welshampton church - may well be from Hanmer, Flintshire.  The Windsor names baptised at Hanmer in the 1780s can be found as burials at Welshampton.
The John Windsor baptised at Hanmer 29 Feb 1784 to parents John & Margaret has the family location as being Bettisfield.  The same locality as Balmer Heath.
This doesnt answer your question as to the marriage of John Windsor and Ann - but when you see a 'cousin ?' - Francis Windsor (1784) - of Hanmer - marrying at Ellesmere in 1808 - and his burial is at Welshampton in 1749 (being of "The Balmer") - you are seeing a few pieces of this family jigsaw.
Cheers
Lindsay

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Shropshire / Re: Eastwick - near Ellesmere - a Locality or a Township
« on: Wednesday 09 January 19 06:41 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Kay for a map that at least shows Eastwick in 1874.
From that map it seems that the 2.5 miles from Ellesmere is more accurate than Genuki with their 1 mile.
(And so close to Overton / Flintshire - which now has to be considered in my research.)
The 30yo Randle Jones you mention in the 1871 census - was the son of John Jones - who was the 'reputed' son of John Jones 1772 - 1840.
The brothers John Jones 1772-1840 and Randle Jones 1778-1841 - left substantial bequests in their wills - with the 'reputed' son John Jones born in Chester inheriting the bulk of their combined estates.
Both the brothers had died at Gadlas - with at least one of their tanneries being at Eastwick.
The 1841 census has the newly arrived John Jones as a 35yo Tanner (thanks to his inheritance) - at Eastwick - whereas in the wills dated 1840 - he was noted as being a Joiner and Carpenter of Chester.  Randle Jones had died in March 1841 - and the 1841 census was early June.

Lindsay


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Shropshire / Eastwick - near Ellesmere - a Locality or a Township
« on: Tuesday 08 January 19 05:13 GMT (UK)  »
Can some local knowledge please advise re Eastwick "a township in Ellesmere parish".
Genuki has :
" EASTWICK, a township in the parish of Ellesmere, county Salop, 1 mile from Ellesmere."

But Edward Cassey & Co - History Gazeteer and History of Shropshire has:
"Eastwick is 2 and a half miles north-west from Ellesmere and contains 503 acres.  In this parish is an extensive tannery, the property of Mr Randle Jones."

The 1841 census has numerous families - both agicultural and tradesmen - as being at Eastwick.  Including at least two shoemakers.
So it is more than just a locality name I assume ?

Modern maps only get me to Eastwick Farm when I search for "Eastwick" - and even looking at old maps - I dont see it as a "township".

My John Davies born about 1730 - a corviser / corvisor (boot and shoemaker) - may have located himself there due the leather tanning in that area.
Curious that this trade is closer to the source material - than to his customers ?

John Davies burial record of 1777 at Ellesmere has him as being 'of Eastwick".

His two children were baptised at Ellesmere with their location being noted as being of Eastwick - and his daughter Mary Davies (1771 - 1838) - as Mary Parry - retired to Eastwick from Chester in her last years - and her Ellesmere burial record has her as being of Eastwick although the death certificate has her death at Dudleston Heath.

Lindsay / South Australia

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Shropshire / Re: TOMPKINS/PEAKE Family - Dudleston
« on: Friday 21 December 18 02:09 GMT (UK)  »
Hello William
I have Thomas Tomkins in my family tree - only recently added - connected via his brother's marriage in 1763 - Richard Tomkins (1738 - 1767).
Currently I am trying to work out if there is a wider connection between Tomkins of Dudleston and my Parry / Davies / Jones families of Dudleston / Ellesmere / Eastwick / Dudleston Heath (Criftins).

Lindsay
South Australia.

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Lancashire / Re: Eaves Lane - Chorley - History
« on: Thursday 13 July 17 09:37 BST (UK)  »
The entry is in a section of a book on Lancashire, the section titled "The Chorley Survey.  Being An Abstract of the Survey taken on the 15th February 1652 of the Estate of Richard Chorley of Chorley Esquire".  Printed by The Record Society in 1896.  It is available online from archive.org

The columns on the right hand side are FYNE / RENT / BOONES.  The Boones heading has further columns, being SHEARING / HENS / CAPONS / COALES

So an upfront 'fee' paid to Richard Chorley for granting this lease - of 70 pounds.  One wonders about the industry needed to earn back such a large sum if it was land for agriculture.

All three names "soe long live" were young people - John Ainscow was 20, Alice Wareing was 17, and Thomas Gillebrand was 23.  After John Ainscow died, the next lease in 1704/5 - went to Thomas Mason, who had married Alice Wareing in 1692.

A son of this John Ainscow - Miles Ainscow born 1702 - (if I have the right person) - is on record in 1745 and 1746 (Lancashire Archives) being in dispute with neighbours for his attempts to "divert the course of an ancient waterway".  That waterway described on a document for "Sketch plans of a water course from Eaves Lane to Bagganley Brook, in Chorley, with reference to a dispute between James Parker and Miles Ainscow".

So Eaves Lane again an area of commercial interest it would seem.


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Lancashire / Eaves Lane - Chorley - History
« on: Thursday 13 July 17 03:58 BST (UK)  »
Richard Chorley on 2nd February 1690, granted a lease over a property, to James Ainscow, for the life of his son John Ainscow.
The property was "in the Eaves Lane in C. (Chorley) late Tootells, formerly Wrennowes, and anciently Wareing Woods".
The names Tootell, Wrennowe and Wareing are of families of note in the area, so it appears the area took on the names of its occupants at different times.
The land was 9 acres, 1 rood, 24 perches.  Today being 3.8 hectares.

Question 1:  Do I assume that this was just an area of land that was being leased for agriculture ?  And whatever this means : the "Boones" were "shearing x 2" and "hens x 2".

Question 2: Whilst the lease was undertaken by James Ainscow for the life of his son John, there are two other people mentioned - "Ailese daughter of John Waring and Thomas Gillibrand son of Robert Gill.: soe long live".  I don't know why James Ainscow would be adding these extra people to the lease.  As it turned out, the lease lasted until 1704 when John Ainscow died.

Given that my Ainscow roots have been traced back to Chorley in this era, I was just curious as to what they were up to.  They seem to have been a family of some means, being involved in this lease, being Church Wardens, able to at least write their name, and to leave wills.

Cheers - Lindsay / Australia

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Devon / Re: APPLEPAN - A Devon Location ?
« on: Sunday 04 December 16 01:32 GMT (UK)  »
Oh I see - Yes.
"Ipplepen is a village and civil parish located within the Teignbridge district of the county of Devon."
11 miles from Brixham.
Thanks very much for that.
A devonshire accent to a London ear can turn Ipplepen into Applepan ?

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Devon / APPLEPAN - A Devon Location ? COMPLETED
« on: Sunday 04 December 16 01:16 GMT (UK)  »
In a document dated 1 Feb 1851 (Merchant Navy Certificate) - the place of birth has been given as APPLEPAN, DEVON.  In two places on the documents.
Anyone have any clue as to this location ?
My belief is that the family was from Brixham.
Certainly, this person was married at Brixham in 1829.
Cheers all
Lindsay

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