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Shetland / Shetlanders with "dark hair and swarthy skin"?!
« on: Wednesday 28 December 11 20:07 GMT (UK)  »
The Scott line of my ancestors hailed from Shetland and I have traced them back as far as into the seventeenth century. According to family legend, some of them had "dark hair and swarthy skin." I don't suppose anyone has ever heard of this occurrence in Shetland? Some of the family were not Scottish, but came from somewhere else, after their ship, which was emigrating to America, was wrecked - supposedly at Vaila Sound. This would seem to indicate the Bachelor of Leith, but according to all the records, everyone in our family tree was born in Shetland and certainly all have Shetland names (this ship was sailing from Caithnes and Sutherland in 1774). Also, I was wondering if the ancestors with dark hair and swarthy skin could have been descended from sailors of the Spanish Armada??

The member of the family who is said to have been shipwrecked has been potentially identified as Lilias Bain, born in 1760 and married to Peter Peterson, but again this has still to be independently verified...

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Dumfriesshire / Re: CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH (IRVINGITES)
« on: Wednesday 18 May 11 21:22 BST (UK)  »
Dear Mr NAME
Thank you for your enquiry of 13 August concerning your family history which has been passed to us from the National Register of Archives for Scotland (NRAS).
Although we do have some miscellaneous papers relating to the Catholic Apostolic Church, these do not include anything relating to Dumfries. You can find out more about our holdings by searching our electronic catalogue online at http://www.nas.gov.uk (also try the catalogue of the NRAS here and try the catalogue of the Scottish Archive Network (SCAN) at http://www.scan.org.uk/catalogue/ which provides access to collection descriptions of over 50 Scottish archives).
I regret that the only decent source of information I have found on the history of the church is the Wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Apostolic_Church. Perhaps some of the websites or publications linked from the bottom of this entry can provide further information about records of the Dumfries church.
I am sure that you are probably already aware that statutory registration of births, marriages and deaths was introduced in Scotland in 1855. These records are searchable online on the official government website at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and so you should be able to find the records in which you are interested on this website.
I hope that this information is of some assistance to you.
Yours sincerely
JOANNA O’ROURKE
Search Room Archivist
Historical Search Room
National Archives of Scotland
HM General Register House
2 Princes Street
Edinburgh
EH1 3YY
mailto:enquiries[at]nas.gov.uk
telephone number: 0131 535 1334
fax number: 0131 535 1328
web site: http://www.nas.gov.uk/

Dear Mr NAME
We do not hold the records of this congregation nor do they seem to be in the National Archives either who hold most of the seceding church records. They may still be in private hands. The church was initially located in Irish Street and then in Queen Street, Dumfries.
All birth, marriage and death records irrespective of congregation from 1855 onwards in Scotland can be searched on-line at the Registrar General’s site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
We also have our local newspaper the Dumfries & Galloway Standard indexed from 1777 to 1930 so you may be able to pick up some family members that way.
If you would like any further help with research you can contact our researcher Mrs Erica Johnson at Erica J[at]dumgal.gov.uk who would be happy to give you a quotation.
Cathy Gibb
Library Assistant
Dumfries and Galloway Libraries, Information and Archives
Dumfries & Galloway Council
Community and Support Services
Dumfries Archive Centre, 33 Burns Street, Dumfries, DG1 2PS
Tel 01387 269 254
Fax 01387 264 126
Drop point 264
web: www.dumgal.gov.uk.lia
e-mail: libarchive[at]dumgal.gov.uk
(replace [at] with @)

I have heard that the records may still be held at the former CA Church on Gordon Square in London. My aunt works nearby and went round recently to the "Bloomsbury Cathedral," but it was not open.

On one positive note: CAC records for Cambridge supposedly exist on microfilm for baptisms 1834-40 and reside at the Cambridge Record Office.

On some old family documents, we have a list of the officating ministers at the baptisms of various children in the 1870s and 1880s in Dumfries CA Church - William Wells, James Marr, Henry S Whyte, Thomas Hoggarth. My GG grandfather and grandmother were married at Dumfries CAC in 1868 by Robert Craig.



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Dumfriesshire / Re: CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH (IRVINGITES)
« on: Wednesday 18 May 11 21:20 BST (UK)  »
Hello, thank you for posting that information, it is very interesting.

I have been searching high and low for records, because there are several blank spots in our family history prior to the introduction of statutory state records in 1855. Because our family records before then were probably made at the CA Church, they are unfortunately now missing from the records, even though they must have been recorded and may well be out there somewhere! Ironically, we have more complete records for the start of the 19th century, but not for later, following the launch of the CAC.

Here is some of the correspondence I have been involved in:

Dear Sir/Madam
I believe you hold records for non-established churches in Dumfries. I am engaged in family-history research and am interested in locating the birth, marriage and death records of the Catholic Apostolic Church (“Irvingites”) in Dumfries, which functioned over a hundred-year period from approximately the 1830s to 1930.
Do you hold the records of the local Catholic Apostolic Church or, if not, do you perhaps have any idea where they ended up after the church disbanded in the 1920s?
Mr NAME

The ARCHIVE CENTRE
33 Burns Street
Dumfries
DG1 2PS
Tel: 01387 269254
Fax: 01387 264126
Email: libarchive[at]dumgal.gov.uk (replace [at] with @)

REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS, DEATHS and MARRIAGES
Dumfries Municipal Chambers
Buccleuch Street
Dumfries
DG1 2AD
Tel:01387245906
Tel 01387245907
Fax: 01387269605
Email: isabeld[at]dumgal.gov.uk (replace [at] with @)

Dear Mr NAME
Thank you for your enquiry regarding the Catholic Apostolic Church
records from 1830 - 1930.
I have made enquiries with our local Archive Centre and they inform me
that they have already checked for these records and have not been able
to find where they are kept. They say they are definitely not in the
National Archives, and wonder if they may be held somewhere in London,
due to the fact that the church has not existed for such a long time.
I am sorry I cannot be helpful in this matter, but wish you well in your
continued search.
Yours sincerely
Isabel Davidson
Area Registrar, Registration Services
Community and Support Services
Dumfries and Galloway Council
Internal: 63359
External: 01387 245909
Fax: 01387 245907 (Internal 63357)
Drop Point: 274
Email: Isabel.Davidson[at]dumgal.gov.uk (replace [at] with @)

Dear Mr NAME
It was the Archivist who mentioned London to me as a possibility. If you have an address for the Church in London I would try that first. If not the National Records Office would be my next try. Any records in Scotland which do not have a ‘home’ seem to end up in the National Records Office or Archive. I am sorry I cannot be of any more use in this matter, it can be frustrating trying to track down some of the rarer records.
Regards
Isabel

From Records[at]gro-scotland.gsi.gov.uk (replace [at] with @)

Dear Mr NAME
I am not sure of national archives records to be certain I am afraid - you could check directly with them at www.nas.gov.uk - it is certainly not records that we would keep here.
Christine


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Dumfriesshire / Stonemasons of Dumfriesshire
« on: Monday 17 August 09 20:08 BST (UK)  »
Hello Jean

Thank you for writing – that is indeed an interesting tale about your 100 year old gg grandmother! I wonder if there was something in the air (it being so high up?), because my gggg grandmother Mary McCall herself died only in her 81st year! I wonder if you could also keep a look out for the name McCALL in your Leadhills searches? I have Mary McCall (1782-1863) and Allison McCall (1785-?), born in Crawford & Leadhills to Robert McCall (miner) and Isabel McKonnen/McConner (possibly born in Closeburn, 1779).

So the James Gibson you found was born around 1831 or 1822, depending on how you interpret the census? He could very well be one of mine, because so many of my Dumfries Gibsons go off the radar, and sometimes the reason is because of the Leadhills (= Lanark) connection through their mother. For example, I have a Robert Gibson (c. 1819-1848), son of James Gibson (1773?-1832), who for some reason died in Wanlockhead.

I did try making enquiries at the local museum, but I think they are a bit understaffed!

Museum of Lead Mining
Wanlockhead, ML12 6UT
Tel: 01659 74387
Fax: 01659 74481
Web: www.leadminingmuseum.co.uk


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Dumfriesshire / Re: Stonemasons of Dumfriesshire
« on: Sunday 16 August 09 12:47 BST (UK)  »
Dear Jean

It is hard for me to say, because my own information has so many gaps, so I cannot definitely say they are ours, but cannot discount them either. It is interesting, though, because the parents of the Alexander Gibson with whom I began this thread were James and Mary Gibson. She was born in Leadhills and her father, Robert McCall, was a miner there (that is the furthest back I have been able to trace them on the basis of authenticated documents). Thank you for your help and please continue to report any breakthroughs you might make!


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Dumfriesshire / Re: Stonemasons of Dumfriesshire
« on: Thursday 13 August 09 15:10 BST (UK)  »
Hello, thank you for writing, that is very interesting! Do you know the ages and other information (eg. place of birth) for James and Mary?


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Dumfriesshire / Re: STONEMASONS OF DUMFRIESSHIRE
« on: Monday 11 May 09 17:02 BST (UK)  »
Sorry to hear about your family illness. Best of luck!

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Dumfriesshire / Re: When there is no record...
« on: Friday 10 April 09 07:20 BST (UK)  »
Thank you very much for this - I had a sort of inkling that might be the reason... My family were members of the Catholic Apostolic Church, though I am not quite sure when it was established in Dumfries (the church on Queen Street only opened in 1865; before then, I think they met in Irish Street). Where would such records be - Edinburgh?

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Dumfriesshire / When there is no record...
« on: Thursday 09 April 09 15:04 BST (UK)  »
What do you do when you know of a person's birth, yet there is just no corresponding record? I know statutory records were only introduced in 1855, but before then my family had always registered births, christened their children. But for some reason, there is suddenly no record when it comes to my gg grandfather in 1846. His name was Robert Gibson and I KNOW from our own records, confirmed against censuses and age at marriage, that he was born in Dumfries on 26 April 1846. Yet, for some strange reason, his parents (whose own births are recorded)  either did not record their son’s birth or there is somehow no record on Scotlands People, IGI, etc. The same applies to all his siblings. Is the fault with the records or with the parents???




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