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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc. - Part 4
« on: Thursday 13 October 22 19:34 BST (UK)  »
I am fortunate to at last be able to visit Portarlington and today I spent a few hours in the local library's local studies section looking into books by the late Ronnie Mathews, whom I knew about, and by John Stocks Powell, whom I did not.  Some disparate notes.

Powell in his book Schooling in Ireland, a Clustered History, 1695-1912attributes a quote to A record of the Hill and Binney families compiled from letters and correspondence by Thomas Stephen Hill.  Private Ms, page 5 of 1977 typed copy.
I had reported previously that Old Hill from a family who had a position in the (town) corporation.  The couple had 3 children each of whom strongly honoured her Halpin origins.  This discovery confirms that there are existing descendants from Old Nick's daughter.  Ronnie Mathews' book confirms the childrens' names weNick's daughter Mary Anne Halpin had married a Thomas Hill.  Powell says that he was Major by Thomas Stephre Nicholas Thomas, William Halpin and Mary Anne Hill.
We know the Rev N J Halpin but Old Nick's other son William Henry "published many poems and translations from Greek, Latin, French, Italian, Spanish and Portugese poets circa 1825".
[Portarlington the Inside Story, Ronnie Mathews]

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Fascinating to revisit this forum.  I have this record from shipping records at Ancestry.
"Hampton N Gov't Officer 49.  Hampton J 39.  Married couple, destination Ceylon.  Ship Lancashire dep Liverpool 3/12/1910, 1st Class."
[UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Ancestry]
You probably already have this.

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc. - Part 4
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 02:36 GMT (UK)  »
Is your James Albert the same as the Albert James that I have, born Nov 1896, called Jim?

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc. - Part 4
« on: Tuesday 02 November 21 04:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Sarah.  I am BillW aka Bill Webster. 
The thread is not dead, just waiting for someone as good as you to infuse new information and to ask newish questions.  I somehow get the impression of not being notified of new content here, which makes it difficult to respond.
Are you in touch with other Edwin descendants?  Are any of them interested in family history other than you?  Do you know who Sheanchai is? 
If you are in Drogheda, I did not know that any of Edwin Francis's family went there.  That was his brother Samuel who married Turnbull.
Your answers should help me to answer some of your questions, if I can.
Regards, Bill.

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc. - Part 4
« on: Sunday 18 April 21 08:13 BST (UK)  »
I never rule out a possible connection.
The Halpins from Wicklow go back in the records of the COI church there to at least the mid 1700s bearing the names Halfpenny or Halpenny.
Roberta (above) correctly raises the subject of male Y-DNA, possibly the only way of possibly ruling in or definitely ruling out relationship.  For this you need direct male line descendants (so with one of the surnames in question).
It galls me that I think I have sole remaining male Halpin descendants here in New South Wales, father and son, and both firmly reject testing.  I can't make them, I can only keep asking.  (They descend from George Halpin in Dublin, brother we believe of James Halpin of the Bridge Hotel in Wicklow Town.)

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc. - Part 4
« on: Saturday 30 January 21 04:04 GMT (UK)  »
Re Leo Halpin.  Captain Robert Charles Halpin had 3 daughters only one of whom married, later in life.  It is understood that the Captain has no living descendants.
A Leo Francis Halpin was born 2 March 1903 in Bootle Lancashire died Ormskirk Lancs 1970.  Is this your man?  He has been researched at Ancestry.
His father is shown as Thomas F Halpin born Co Clare 1853 died Liverpool area 1929, unrelated I am afraid to the Wicklow Halpins.
I thought I saw recently a query about a Halpin family from Louth.  I can't locate that query atm unfortunately.

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc. - Part 4
« on: Saturday 30 January 21 03:59 GMT (UK)  »
Gilly, there are indeed Bradleys marrying Halpins, but about a century ago.
(William) Gordon Bradley 1884-1946 died Bray was born to William David Bradley and Marianne Isabella Halpin.  Marianne was a daughter of Nicholas John Halpin.  Gordon married Constance Marguerite Inman in 1912.
Then, Eliza Bradley born Booldurragh Co Carlow about 1831 married Dr George Halbert Halpin brother of Captain Robert Charles in 1859, died Wicklow 1887, 5 children.  She was the only daughter of Henry Bradley Esq, deceased at her marriage.

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Other Countries / Re: Sri Lanka/Ceylon Tea Planters and settlers from Britain 1850s
« on: Saturday 16 February 19 04:15 GMT (UK)  »
It would be fortunate to find her marriage in Ceylon.  Parts of Norman’s family, in particular the Cantlays (Norman’s sister Laura Rose married in Colombo in 1877 James Cantlay) settled in Western Australia.  But you say that you have searched WA marriages.

None of Norman or his siblings’ births or baptisms has ever been found other than their sister Frances Ellen Hampton who was born in London on 30 Mar 1866 and baptised at St John the Evangelist Notting Hill on 11 May 1866.  Frances married into another Anglo-Ceylonese family named Rudd and lived there with her family, died in Kandy in 1946.

Josephine M Hampton in Sussex is the only Josephine in the 1939 Register who fits.  For her to be actually “Josephine Marion”, allied to a birth within a reasonable time frame adds to that probability.  Other records such as electoral registers do not show birth years.  There are other Josephine M Hamptons but no way of telling.  I think the only way to confirm or rule out this Josephine would be for her to have had children who could supply DNA, but no indication of children?

It is not unheard of for persons to advance their birth year, and Josephine was so much younger than Norman.

A word of caution surrounds the person “Norman Augustus” Hampton who is listed in some trees.  While the Josephine we are concentrating on is in Sussex, at the same time in Surrey is a Norman Augustus Hampton, living in Caterham Surrey with Gwendoline Molly Hampton, along with Eva and Sarah Edwards.  A Norman A Hampton married at Godstone in Surrey in 1933 Gwendoline M E Edwards.  So I think I can say that the Norman Augustus Hampton shown in at least one on-line tree is not Norman A Hampton from Ceylon born 1871.  (To complicate that, Norman had a 2nd cousin named Gwendoline Molly Hampton Lewis, from part of the family that never went to Ceylon.)

If I were to take a stab at Norman’s middle name, in the absence of anything otherwise compelling, Norman had an older brother named Arthur, who was unmarried in 1891, born Ceylon, working in a London bank aged 31.  I think he went to South Africa.  I can see no forebear with the name Arthur however.

So, no closer to finding that marriage.  But thank you for reviving my search for more about this family.  By the way, Norman’s brother Joseph married, for the 2nd time, Emily Hill Gardiner 1900 in Colombo.   She originated in Old Aberdeen where her father had been the Rev’d Thomas Gardiner.  This puts them closer to your location.

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Other Countries / Re: Sri Lanka/Ceylon Tea Planters and settlers from Britain 1850s
« on: Friday 15 February 19 00:54 GMT (UK)  »
Hello.  Thank you for this post.  May I ask, where do your researches fit into this family?  Mine is the Hampton family, originally from Anglesey in Wales.
I have  lot of your information.  However, knowing of Josephine being Norman's wife, and both of their deaths, I knew nothing of her origins. 
You say that you have the marriage of Josephine Marion Greig-Scott born 1881 in Victoria Australia.  When and where was this marriage?  Given her parents' names, her hyphenated surname could possibly suggest that she had been married previously, do you think?
There are Hampton descendants in Australia and have been since the early 1900s.  Norman and she could have met in Australia while he was visiting those relatives.
Or, depending on that marriage, can she be found in transit to Ceylon?
Bill Webster
NSW Australia

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