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Thanks, John.  Happily, the family is already pretty well researched -- and by better genealogists than me.  What I was trying to do prior to our recent visit was to locate a local historian who could give us a guided tour of the places these ancestors once lived.  Alas, I never found such a person.

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We did enjoy the time.

One thing I did get from the pub owner (who may have been misinformed) was that Bishops Cannings had once been surrounded by several large estates.  None, of course, were owned by my wife's ancestors, who must have been landless tenant farmers.

And landless tenant farmers, of course, were most skilled at the grunt work that farming requires.  So, who better to carve farms out of the forested countryside of colonial Pennsylvania?

I also discovered that the English civil war battlefield of Roundway Down is virtually across the road from Bishops Cannings.  Naturally, I wondered -- and still wonder -- whether and how the Pyles, Slopers, Nashes and Witherses were affected by all the ruckus.  One of the few signs on the battlefield showed the defeated Parliamentary forces streaming away in the direction of Bishops Cannings.

(And, just as an aside, it also struck me that Brits would be amazed to see the granite forests that U.S. Civil War battlefields have become.  Their battlefields are almost wholly unmarked.  For anyone who has seen Gettysburg, the "neglect" of places such as Roundway Down seems...well, very strange.)

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Quaker Family History / Re: 17th Century Quakers: PYLE, WITHERS, SLOPER, NASH, SMITH
« on: Thursday 06 August 09 17:48 BST (UK)  »
Just to wrap this up...

We returned this past Saturday (Aug.1) from two weeks in the UK, which included a visit to Wiltshire and Bishops Cannings, near Devizes.  We never did find anyone equipped to give us a knowledgeable tour, although we did, of course, enjoy our ramble.

In the pub at Bishops Cannings, posted on a wall, we saw a 19th Century map of the village which included several plots of land attributed to the Nash family, from which my wife also descends.  The pub owner couldn't tell me anything about it.  Alas.

So many questions....

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Thanks again, Ruskie.  You've made some good suggestions.  I appreciate them and will try them.

We know the family tree, which has been researched by better genealogists than me.  I'm not intending or expecting to learn anything new "genealogically" on this trip.

What I want to do is see things.  Things that may no longer exist.  Things whose existence I am unaware of.  Things that we'll breeze right past if I don't learn of their existence and location in advance.

Perhaps what I really need is a good customized walking tour from a local historian familiar with the Commonwealth period.

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If it is the towns and villages where these families originated that you would like to visit, I would suggest studying maps of Wiltshire and familiarising yourself with the places that your families lived. Many will be unrecognisable from when your ancestors were there, but there may be some older parts of the towns and villages which may still contain some of the buildings from your ancestor's time.

Thanks for your response, Ruskie.  I have studied the maps.  I know where the villages are.  And I do realize that they will be much changed.

Ideally, I'd love to find a distant cousin who knows the family tree, is familiar with local history and can point out the relevant landmarks.  The churches are good landmarks.  Likely all of these people were COE before they joined the Quakers.  One of those who turned Quaker, Thomas Withers 1596-1668) spent a long period beginning in 1658 in "the county gaol" for refusing to pay church tithes.  Where was he imprisoned?

Anyway, that sort of thing...

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I'm looking for anyone familiar with central Wiltshire who might also be familiar with these families.

My wife's ancestor emigrated from Wiltshire to Pennsylvania with the Penn fleet in 1682.  We're planning a visit to Wiltshire and would like to do some genealogical sightseeing - if we can find anything to see.   :)

The primary family was PYLE, with connections to the Withers, Sloper, Nash and Smith families.  The immigrant, Robert Pyle (1660-1730) was from Bishops Cannings.  His parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc., were from places such as Bourton, Urchfont and Stanton St. Bernard.  Those living during the Commonwealth seem to have joined the Quakers, as did Robert Pyle.

A condensed family tree follows.

Robert Pyle, son of Nicholas Pyle (1624-1691) and Edith Musprat (1635-1676).
Nicholas Pyle, son of John Pyle (1594-1652) and Mary Withers (ca. 1604-1666).
Edith Musprat, daughter of Thomas Musprat (b. ca. 1600) and Edith Byffen (b. ca. 1600)
John Pyle, son of John Pyle (1564-1652) and Elizabeth
Mary Withers, daughter of Thomas Withers (1545-1624) and Joan Nash (d. ca. 1630)
Thomas Withers, son of William Withers (b. 1520)) and Isabel Smith (b. 1532)
Joan Nash, daughter of William Nash and Margery Sloper
Isabel Smith, daughter of William Smith of Bourton and Laura

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