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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Friday 19 April 24 10:10 BST (UK)  »
If we're talking about rabbit holes, here's another one I encountered a while back where my efforts came to naught. In short, when a William Byrne married a Mary Irwin in St. Malachy's Belfast in December 1919, one of the witnesses was a John J McCabe:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09691/5515169.pdf

After some digging, I found a baptismal record for the same William Byrne in St. Peter's Belfast in March 1898, I say 'the same' because the baptismal record actually says that he went on to marry Mary Irwin in St. Malachy's in 1919, critically, his mother's surname was recorded as McKinstry.  Here was William in his family in 1901 and the marriage of his parents - John Byrne and Mary Anne McKinstry - in St. Peter's Belfast in 1887:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Falls/Ton_Street/952509/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10816/5944891.pdf

So at this point I was thinking, was Mary Anne McKinstry a sister of Annie and was John J. McCabe therefore witnessing the marriage of William Byrne as his cousin?  Unfortunately, it all started to drift away from that likelihood, for the church record of that 1887 marriage identified Mary Anne McKinstry's parents as John McKinstry and Mary (Hanna) Gannon, who were married in the Church of Ireland church in Lurgan Co. Armagh in 1868:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1868/11458/8210574.pdf

I could neither find a birth to this couple for a daughter Annie, nor did the Lurgan Co. Armagh geography gel with the birthplace of Co. Antrim that Annie gave in both the 1901 and 1911 censuses.  But if anyone can see something that I've missed to rule it all back in, feel free. 
 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Friday 19 April 24 08:17 BST (UK)  »
Great photo, it brings the names to life.  For me it also serves to reinforce the passage of time, if we're correct about constable James McCabe, then at the time of that photo in the mid 1920s he was already an unknown, Alice never met him and as far as the children were concerned, it was down to whatever, if anything at all, that their father John told them about him.  Fast forward about 100 years from that photo and it's no wonder we're struggling to make sense of it all.


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 12:18 BST (UK)  »
Not sure if someone has already posted this, but the Roden Street Barracks census return in 1901 shows the birth place of a 41 year old unmarried Catholic constable 'J M' - possibly the same chap as the James McCabe who died in 1902 - as Co. Fermanagh:

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000307133/


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 07:18 BST (UK)  »
I've been dipping in and out of this, interested to see each new find. What actually happened remains inconclusive, but there are multiple scenarios one can speculate about. At this point, in the absence of having found any marriages in the permutation of surnames arising thus far, I'm inclined to think that Annie didn't marry anyone.

Because of John James' 1888 civil birth registration and the church record of his 1915 marriage, I'm inclined to think that Annie was born a McKinstry.  But as to what ensued, I think one can't rule out some measure of fabrication on her part. On face value, she may have had relationships with a John/James McKinley, with a James McKee and a James McCabe, producing three children out of wedlock from one or more of those relationships.  In another scenario, John/James McKinley and Annie's use of that surname may be a fabrication for her births from 1886-1891, a cover story for her relationship with McKee or McCabe, names which endure down the line (which McKinley doesn't). In another scenario, James McKee may be one and the same person as James McCabe. This has proven to be a VERY interesting topic and Annie is something of an enigma.     


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Sunday 07 April 24 19:16 BST (UK)  »

I'll see if there are any baptismal records...


Yes, there are corresponding baptisms, according to the transcripts:

- Mary Josephine McKinley was baptised in St. Peter's Belfast on 8 April 1886 for parents John McKinley and Anne McKinley of 9 Blackwater Street, the sponsor was Margaret Madden;

- John James McKinley was baptised in St. Paul's Belfast on 21 October 1888 for mother Annie McKinley of 9 Blackwater Street, the name of the father was not given, the sponsor was Margaret Madden;

- Catherine McKinley was baptised in St. Peter's Belfast on 21 May 1891 for parents James McKinley and Ann McKinley of 3 Fifth Street, the sponsor was Margaret Madden.


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Sunday 07 April 24 19:02 BST (UK)  »
My gut says that the following is a distinct possibility.

According to that transcript of the 1915 McCabe-McGrath church marriage record, the groom's mother was Annie McKinstry.  Note the following three births:

- Mary born on 3 April 1886 at 9 Blackwater Street, mother Annie McKinley (worker wareroom), no father given, information provided by Margaret Madden of 14 Ton Street, present at birth:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02606/1962500.pdf

- John James born on 3 October 1888 at 9 Blackwater Street, father James McKinley a fireman, mother Annie McKinley formerly McKinstry, information provided by Margaret Madden of 44 McDonnell Street, present at birth:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02498/1926689.pdf

- Kathleen born on 18 May 1891 at 3 Fifth Street, mother Annie McKinley (wareroom worker), no father given, information provided by Margaret Madden of 50 McDonnell Street, present at birth: 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02392/1892195.pdf

I'll see if there are any baptismal records...


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Sunday 07 April 24 18:17 BST (UK)  »
By the time of the 1951 street listing for Donnybrook Street, Mary is shown next door at no. 14:

12. Pollock, Mrs. H.
14. McCabe, Miss M.

The 1955 and 1960 listings then show this:

12. Pollock, Mrs. H.
14. McKee, Miss M.

BTW, the Mrs. H Pollock was likely a widow Harriet Pollock, according to an entry in the PRONI Will Calendars: Pollock, Harriet of 12 Donnybrook Street Belfast widow died 9 July 1962 at Belfast City Hospital Belfast Probate Belfast 20 August to John Girvan presbyterian minister. Effects £1278 5s.


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Sunday 07 April 24 18:01 BST (UK)  »
The information was pretty consistent when Annie McCabe's death on 19 May 1936 was registered on the same day by her son J. J. McCabe of 13 Rockville Street.  He registered the death under the name Annie McCabe, he reported that she died at 12 Donnybrook Street (heart disease), that her age was 69 and that she was the 'Widow of James McCabe a Constable R.I.C.'.

If you look at what street directories are available on the Lennon Wylie website, you can see that the occupier of 12 Donnybrook Street initially changed to what looks like the daughter Mary:

https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/index.htm


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Antrim / Re: Death of ElizabethWilgar, Apr 18, 1946
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 23:52 BST (UK)  »
Belfast Telegraph, 24 August 1942: McDowell - August 23, 1942, at Hospital, SAMUEL, dearly-beloved husband of ELIZABETH McDOWELL.  Funeral from his late residence, 22 EIA Street ... (etc. etc. - the burial was at Carnmoney).


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