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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: clyne family - menmuir angus
« on: Thursday 22 October 20 08:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi all, an update to my search for Helen Clyne Anderson's father has been resolved. One of my second cousins was able to get a parish register document that has been found by the people at OldScottish.com which states that David Clyne acknowledges his paternity. He was in Wales at the time of the documents in 1865. I cannot find him in any 1861 census. Thanks all for the suggestions.   

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: clyne family - menmuir angus
« on: Monday 04 June 18 09:28 BST (UK)  »
Jane & Forfarian
Thanks for your reply.
Helen was born in Menmuir on 9 August 1864 to Christina Anderson and no named spouse. Registered as illegitimate by her mother Christina. She was born at the Mill of Balrownie, halfway between Menmuir and Brechin where her mother's father was a blacksmith.
In the 1871 census, the first after her birth she was listed as Helen Clyne.
In the 1881 census, she was listed as Helen Cline, a domestic servant for Walter & Isabella Duncan.
I have not got her in the 1891 census as yet.
She married Randall Scott in Lethnot & Navar Parish on 14 Dec 1894 and signed as Ellen Anderson.
On birth/marriage/deaths of all her children she is named as Helen Anderson on the registrations.
She died in 1944 and was named as Helen Anderson on the registration.
Helen's mother, Christina is listed in the 1851/61/71 at the family home which was the smithy house at Balrownie.
I have done a lot of searching and cannot find any evidence about the father.
My guess is that it probably was one of the Clyne males but it cannot be proven unless a DNA test is done of any Clyne descendants.

Thanks for your interest
David

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: clyne family - menmuir angus
« on: Saturday 02 June 18 08:47 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the explanation.
Unfortunately there is no RCE.
I have also scanned the Kirk Sessions records for the period after the birth on microfilm looking for action by the parish council to determine paternity but also no result. My local family history group got them from the USA for me.
There is only her mother (Christina Anderson) named on her marriage certificate but on her death certificate the father named is James Anderson who should have been James Duncan who was married to her mother 9 years after Helen's birth and he would only have been 12 when Helen was born. He was 10 years younger then Helen's mother and an apprentice blacksmith to her grandfather (Robert Anderson).
Hence the reason i am asking about any DNA tests as they can help establish connections around brick walls.
As I am in Australia it is often difficult to get around brick walls in the UK without a DNA test and lots of people in the UK do not get their DNA tested as they believe that they know what their ethnicity is but they can be surprised by the results of the test.

Regards
David 


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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: clyne family - menmuir angus
« on: Saturday 02 June 18 07:21 BST (UK)  »
Annie

I do not understand what you mean by RCE.
It is not a term I have come across in genealogy.
Can you explain what it means please.
Thanks

David


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Kincardineshire / Re: STEPHEN family late 1700's Stonehaven
« on: Saturday 02 June 18 07:05 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,
I did an Ancestry DNA test 3 years ago and JasStephen is not coming up in my list of names.
I also have my DNA uploaded to Gedmatch (kit A768059) and Genesis (kit WC7789075) as well as MyHeritage and Familytree DNA and Living DNA.
My tree is visible on Ancestry and my user name is DStephen52. If you have a look you may see something that I am not seeing that could link us together.
Reagdrs

David Stephen


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Photo of Royal Marine died 1944 HMS Fiji
« on: Saturday 02 June 18 06:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
I am always happy to help.
There is a great website devoted to HMS Fiji.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomlipscombe/hmsfa.html
Have a look because you may get more information.
Regards
David

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Photo of Royal Marine died 1944 HMS Fiji
« on: Friday 01 June 18 12:08 BST (UK)  »
I have been reading all of the posts and can add a bit more.
The gun mount if it is from HMS Fiji is probably the 0.5 inch mount on the port side of the bridge.
it is quite possible that my father (John (Jack) Stephen) would have known James Arthur Philip Smith as he served on HMS Fiji as a boy seaman and was in the secondary armament, 4 inch, turrets.
My father survived the sinking in 1941 and went on to serve in the RN until 1954 finishing up as a petty officer radar trainer.
Regards David Stephen

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Kincardineshire / Re: STEPHEN family late 1700's Stonehaven
« on: Friday 01 June 18 11:20 BST (UK)  »
Hi ladies in this thread.
I am intrigued by the all the different information that you have about the Stephen families around Stonehaven.
I have been researching since 1990 on my different Stephen family lines from Catterline, Fetteresso
 and Bervie not got beyond 1729.
I am descended from two distinct lines that were both in Catterline at the same time.
My direct male line is: John (b1924 in Catterline), George (b1894 in Catterline), James Lees (b 1868 in Catterline), Andrew (b1826 in Catterline), Andrew (b1794 in Fetteresso,most likely Cowie), Andrew (b abt 1773 in Fetteresso, most likely Cowie), Andrew (b 1729 in Benholm, Johnshaven).

The other Stephen line is through James Lees Stephen's wife, Catherine Douglas Gove (b1870 in Catterline), her mother Mary Ann Stephen (b Catterline abt 1843), father William Stephen (b abt 1811 in Catterline), father James Stephen ( b 1774 in Bervie), father James Stephen (b 1749 in Bervie) and father John Stephen (b abt 1708 in Bervie).

William Stephen was the first publican of the Creel Inn in Catterline, where I celebrated my 60th with my 4 brothers, all of us from Australia.

As noted in the thread the Stephen's are intertwined all around the north east coast but another
 Stephen contact has them in Fordoun parish eventually moving to Benholm parish.

I am now wondering how we may be related to each other.

 Bye for now, David Stephen in Australia
 

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: clyne family - menmuir angus
« on: Friday 01 June 18 08:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi all on this thread. I have a slightly unusual request. My great grandmother was born in Menmuir in 1864 and on her birth registration it states that she was illegitimate and her mother was Christina Anderson. The interesting thing is that on her birth registration she is named as Helen Anderson but on the 1871 census she is listed as Helen Clyne and is the granddaughter of Robert Anderson at the Smithy House, Balrownie, Menmuir, Angus, Scotland. On the 1881 census she is listed as Helen Cline at Little Brechin, Angus, Scotland as a domestic servant.
Her mother Christina was born in 1842 in Menmuir and lived with her parents until marrying in 1873 so my take on all of this information is that Helen's possible father was a member of the Clyne family of Menmuir. Can any of you help me with establishing whether this could be true or not. Have any descendants of the various Clynes mentioned in this thread done a DNA test that I can see if we any shared DNA.
I know this is a long shot but this has been my brickwall for years and I have not used this site for a number of years and thought I would give it a try.
Thanks for your consideration of this post.
Regards David Stephen 

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