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The Common Room / Good news from Familysearch
« on: Yesterday at 22:41 »

At the Family History Expo in Auckland a couple of weekends ago, the very nice lady from Familysearch who had come to do a seminar, (she was ‘Vice Principal of Business Development’ no less), had some intersting statistics about Familysearch.
a) They are adding new records at the rate of 1,000,000 a day.
b) Only about 23% of the records they hold are indexed, (so that means you have to search in other places on the site other than just the ‘name’ page).
c) They are well on the way to having all the films digitised by the 2020 date they gave last year. In fact she said they will have completed them before their target date.

Good news all round!

I was looking at a film of the Court rolls from a tiny village in Staffordshire the other day. Fascinating stuff. One page was virtually a census of all the (adult) people in the village in 1691 as far as I could see.

You never know what’s out there! :D

After 40 years I finally solved one of my big brick walls!
Got 8 generations of yeoman farmers in and around Macclesfield in Cheshire only halted by my grandfather.
But I had never been able to find the births (or marriages) of my 7 and 8 x great grandfathers. William & Richard Lane. Burials, yes, wills, yes. Baptisms no.
Tried all sorts. Got lots of images of them having ‘leases for 3 lives’ from the Earls of Derby; images of them being ‘overseer for the poor’, ‘constable’; paying for their seats in the local chapel, etc - good, hardworking men, doing their best for their families and community.
1672 is the first dated piece of evidence where I can place Richard Lane in Macclesfield Forest - he takes a lease on 46 acres there.
But where did they come from? Admittedly the records back in the early 1600s are pretty sketchy for around there, so I thought that that was the end of the line for them.

A couple of weekends ago I went the Family History Expo in Auckland. In the Familysearch seminar, the very nice lady sped through the different ways to search on the fs site. I have used it extensively for searching not only people under ‘records’, but using their ‘catalogue’ to view all sorts of films not found on the usual search websites. I’ve looked at ‘family tree’ on there briefly, but not found anything relevant, (and in fact seen erroneous information).
BUT I thought I’d give it another go, and a hit came up for Richard Lane, with the name of a wife, AND the names of her parents! Wow! No sources quoted, No actual record of  marriage, No person to contact - just ‘added by Familysearch’. How frustrating. Never ever taking anything at face value, I started to do some digging using the name suggested there. Took me quite a while, but eventually I found a will for the father of the wife which said in the middle ‘Richard Lane my son in law’! Got ya!!
(The very nice lady in the LDS Family History centre sang 'Hallelujah from Handel's Messiah for me I was so excitied!)
This turned out to be not in Cheshire, but in Staffordshire, about 18 miles away.
I’d looked at Staffordshire before of course, but Richard Lane is not an uncommon name there around the right time. Impossible to know which one would be the right one. Without the clue of the name of his wife, and getting to it that way, I would never been able to make the connection.
Now I have my Lane family rooted back another 3 generations, (not quite in the same village, but near by). Hooray!

So the moral of this story is:
a) Never give up, and b)use every avenue you can to try and find that missing clue - even if you didn’t really want to drive that 30  kms through the city to go and listen to somebody talking about something you thought you knew all about!

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / 1623 Latin marriage licence
« on: Monday 30 July 18 10:18 BST (UK)  »
Can anybody make out any more from this Cheshire licence from 1623?
I can see ‘Rannu Astle’ (Ralph),  et Gratia Walton (?).
It seems to mention ‘Astle’ again on the next line.
Is the last word ‘Chancell?
Thanks very much

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Latin marriage licence 1626
« on: Saturday 21 July 18 10:52 BST (UK)  »
This is between John Mottram and Maria Taylor.
I can see Mottram, and her name. I think there must be some of the right hand side missed off - perhaps the book binding was too tight to get a good scan.

I'd be grateful for any more information - I think I can see her parish was Prestbury - unless they are both of Prestbury (a possibility).

Thanks very much.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Documents from 1633 - Latin
« on: Saturday 14 July 18 11:41 BST (UK)  »
This is the first page from a set of documents from 1633 which are cross referenced with the nuncupative will of Peter Mottram of Adlington from 1629.
There are some 5 pages for the 1629 will: the actual will, 2 affidavids from 2 of the men who took the will, an inventory, and a Latin document which I think is the probate for the eldest son, John.
The 1629 will mentions 3 sons of Peter’s - John, Thomas and William. Peter’s wife is named in the will, and also in the affidavids, as Katherine.

Then there are some 8 images for the 1633 set. Mostly in Latin. It’s obviously a dispute about something.
This is the first page. I can see John Mottram’s name as administrator for Peter Mottram, (about a third of the way down the page), but then it seems to mention a relict named Ellen. William Mottram is also named.

I’d be very grateful if somebody could give me the gist of this.
I can’t quite see how the set from 1629 and the set from 1633 are related, although they are definitely cross referenced on the Cheshire wills website. I’m obviously missing something! Perhpas Ellen was the wife of someone else? I have no information as to whether John was married, and in the 1629 will, both sons Thomas and William seem to still live at home - they are to keep a ‘chamber in the house’ after the death of Peter.

Any enlightenment gratefully received. I can post some more pages if it will help.
(All the images are on findmypast).

Durham Lookup Requests / Stanhope Memorial Inscriptions
« on: Thursday 05 July 18 21:56 BST (UK)  »
Does anybody hold these, or know where I can find them?
I'm looking for some Bainbridge family. (There will be lots with the name Bainbridge!)
More specifically,
Joseph Bainbridge, buried 3rd Oct 1812: plus any other Joseph or Jane BAinbridges buried from 1790 to about 1810.
George Bainbridge died 1825, and Ralph died 1778 and 1818.
Joseph Bainbridge buried 27th Nov 1791.
Thanks very much

Staffordshire / Newchapel (near Kidsgrove) MIs
« on: Thursday 05 July 18 11:20 BST (UK)  »
Does anybody know if these exist and/or are on-line anywhere?
I have a Joseph Bainbridge buried 1st April 1807 at Newchapel, child of John and Mary. I have the image from the burial register. Unfortunately, although it is a printed register with a section for 'age', whoever filled in the register has omitted to do that on any of the burials as far as I can see!
There is no baptism for a Joseph at Newchapel as far as I can see. I think he was born many miles away, about 1792.
Mary is buried in 1848, and her age given as 80, (undoubtedly an estimate), so she might have a grave there too.
Just in case anybody actually has the MIs.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Second opinion please on first name
« on: Thursday 05 July 18 00:17 BST (UK)  »
Not sure of the abbreviation of the Bainbridge witness name.
John? Joseph?
Thanks very much

The Common Room / 'Disclaimers’ in 1613 Visitation of Cheshire
« on: Sunday 17 June 18 08:37 BST (UK)  »

Near the start of the 1613 Visitation of Cheshire, there are some pages that give lists of ‘Disclaimers’.
Does anyone know what that actually means?
Did they put forward a family genealogy, which for some reason was then not included in the Visitation?
According to the footnote on the page, it was quite a public event, being "proclaimed at Chester High Cross after sound of trumpet by a bayley of the county of Chester".
Just to make sure everybody knew you were not one of the in-crowd then!  :D

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