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World War One / Northumberland Fusiliers
« on: Friday 22 March 19 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,
My friend has only just discovered some family documents which show that his father John Ellis Born 1895 enlisted in the Northumberland Fusiliers in 1913 here in Dublin.
The most legible of the three forms is Army Form B 2079 it reads;

Certificate of discharge of No 50117* (Rank) Pte.
(Name) John Ellis
(Regiment) Northumberland Fusiliers (hand written above this stamp is possibly  “previously ……. …. Royal Irish Rifles.
who was enlisted at Dublin
on the 1st October 1913

He was discharged in consequence of
Discharged, no longer physically fit … war service Para 92 (XVI) Kings Regulations
After serving 4 years 211 days with the Colours and
Illegible
(Place) illegible                                      Signature of
                                                                Commanding                                     illegible
                                                                Officer
(Date) 29.4.18

*Another of the documents which is practically totally illegible shows John’s number as 5011

Any help or advice you can offer as to what, if any action this man would have seen during the First World War would be greatly appreciated as I have never researched army history before.
Many thanks
John

I have posted this in the WW1 section because of John's service years 1913 to 1918 but please move if deemed necessary with my apologies.
J.


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Wicklow / Kilnamanaghmore
« on: Friday 09 November 12 17:20 GMT (UK)  »
In 1905 my grandparents Sarah Anne Byrne and Moses Hatton were married in the Roman Catholic Church in Barendarrig. In total they had ten children; the first six had their place of birth returned as Kilnamanaghmore Co Wicklow.
The 1911 Census shows Sarah Anne and Moses Hatt E n living with their first three children including my mother Sarah then aged 2 at House No 3 Kilnamanagh More Glenealy Wicklow.
Any help in locating the exact area this house might be or have been would be really appreciated as I have been down in the Glenealy area a number of times now since August without success.
Many Thanks,
 John.   

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Was my Great Gran. really only 12?
« on: Wednesday 28 March 12 22:22 BST (UK)  »
The death cert for my G/Gran Mary Anne shows that she was 71 when she died in 1924 in Dun Laoghaire Co Dublin giving her a birth year of 1853. irishgenealogy shows that her marriage to my G/Grandfather James took place in Lucan on the 25th July 1865. This would indicate that my G/Gran was only 12 when she married. Unfortunately some of the Lucan records are missing and I have no record of hers or my G/Grandfathers birth so my next stop was the G R O and this is what her marriage cert showed.
James’ age was given as ‘Full’ and ‘Do’ was written for Mary Anne but crossed out and the word “tw???? “was written.
Some say it IS twelve and others have said twenty. What do you think folks?



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Dublin / Mary or Anna Maria
« on: Sunday 22 January 12 20:59 GMT (UK)  »
I only became interested in my Family Tree when the 1911 Census came on line and I discovered that my Great Grandparents, James Comiskey and Mary Anne Merryman were both still alive and living at Valetta Avenue Kingstown on the night.
Their return also showed that they had ten children all of whom were still alive.
My first task was to locate those ten children. I quickly discovered through Internet searches that, at least three others more than twenty years ago had already done Trojan work in this regard including a One Name Study which went back five generations.
For some reason all three returned only nine children merging Mary and Anna Maria, both of whom are shown at the Valetta Avenue address, Mary as a single girl and Anna Maria Cavanagh (mis-transcribed) as a married woman with her husband Francis Kavanagh and two children Joseph and Mary.
Before the 1901 Census came on line I accessed it through the Dun Laoghaire Library and again both Mary and Anna Maria, as a single girl, were returned from the Valetta address
Mary remained single and I was able to trace her through electoral registers until her death in 1968 when she was interred in the family grave with her parents and eldest sister Elizabeth who also did not marry.

The One Name Study lists the following for Mary:
D O B 13th July 1873 Confirmed as D O B for Anna Maria as per Familysearch
Marriage 25th February 1904 St. Michael's Kingstown to Francis Kavanagh but Anna Maria is shown as the wife of Francis Kavanagh on the 1911 Census, they being married seven years and have two children Joseph (6) Born Dublin City and Mary (1) Born Co Dublin.
D O D 2nd October 1968 which is the date on the headstone for Mary in Deansgrange.
The O N S does not reference Anna Maria at all; the other two do but return her as     Mary /Anna Maria with all the above dates.
I think the problem for the earlier researchers was caused by there being no apparent birth record for Mary as oral history had my G/Grandparents and their first child John (1867) migrating down the west of the County from Lucan and cutting across through Dundrum where my Grandfather Michael was Christened (1868), through Rathfarnham etc before arriving in Glasthule where their third child Elizabeth was Christened in 1870 so any search for  children would have been out in the 'county' but I have found a birth on Irishgenealogy and Familysearch for a Mary / Female born in 1869 to James Comiskey and Mary Anne Merriman (returned as MerriGan on the Church records but both the sponsors were MerriMan) Their address was returned as Cumberland Street which is City centre
I would really appreciate any help or advice on this as it is one of those walls that just wont come down.
Many Thanks,
John       

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United States of America / Going back to Houston, Houston, Houston.
« on: Friday 23 December 11 19:35 GMT (UK)  »
This girl, born Catherine Comiskey in Lucan Co Dublin was my Grandfather Michael’s first cousin. I am sure had my family known about her chosen profession she would have been highly spoken of in our, and many other Irish homes.
If SKS ever comes across this grave as per details found on the excellent familysearch.org  Site I would greatly appreciate a photo.
Thanks and Season’s Greetings to all who read this post.
John.

Mary Anselm Commisky died 5 Feb 1959  Houston, Harris, Texas, aged 73, born  23 Oct 1885 Dublin, daughter of Thomas Commisky & Ann McBride.  She became a nun & is buried in the
Garden of Gethsemani cemetery in Houston.

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Wicklow / Death of a Miner
« on: Thursday 10 November 11 17:56 GMT (UK)  »
The story by Amz of the tragic death of his Grandfather who was gored by a bull prompts the following:
I recently turned my attentions to my mother’s side of the family , she lived at The Meetings Avoca and a visit there last weekend stirred many old memories. My Grandfather died in 1949, the year after I was born and my Grandmother passed away in 1954, so my visits after that date were few and far between,, although my older siblings remember long Summer holidays down there with my Grandparents.
There were ten children born to Sarah Anne and Moses Hatton, five boys and five girls. All the girls left home, three, including my mother, came to live in Dun Laoghaire and the two younger girls went to England and served in some capacity during WW11, all five married.  The boys stayed local and all but one married and three of them worked in the Mines.
A visit to Castlemacadam Cemetery, which contains the graves of those who stayed on, filled in a lot of the details that I needed. One headstone in particular caught my attention as it was erected to the memory of my uncle Moses by the workers of Avoca Mines.   I was three at the time of his death and although I knew he had died tragically I was not aware of the details. In the hope of finding out more I paid a subscription to the Irish newspaper archives and within seconds had found details of the tragedy.   
On the 5th of  February 1952 Moses was working the night shift and he and three others were returning to the surface for a mid shift break when catastrophe struck. The mine was 900 feet deep; the lift system used for bringing the workers to and from the workface consisted of two skips which were connected by a wire rope to a mechanically operated revolving drum or wheel. Apparently the system allowed for one skip to ascend as the other descended, no doubt passing each other on countless occasions in the pitch darkness over the years without incident. This particular night, unknown to the operator, the descending skip became snarled on some staging, the rope continued to unwind as the ascending skip continued to climb. Normally the rope would be held taut by the counter balance action but this time, fixed prematurely at one point with the wheel still engaged, it encroached into the space of the ascending skip.  As it and the lift containing the four miners passed it snagged my uncle and dragged him from the skip and he plunged 150 feet to his death.
Moses was 35 years old when he died; he left a widow and two young children.

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Looking for a Date.
« on: Saturday 17 September 11 12:58 BST (UK)  »


I first posted this photo last week under the heading ‘Whose Funeral Is This?’  and the amount of interest it generated has been amazing.
 
PruM has suggested that I repost it with the prime objective of dating the photo and then trying to fit it in to one of the many possibles that have been suggested here. As it stood the time frame was narrowed down, we thought,  to pre 1925 when the Dublin Metropolitan Police whose uniform appears many times in the photo was amalgamated into the present Garda Siochana force but that theory has been proven incorrect when it was discovered that the DMP, as a condition of their amalgamation, were allowed to retain their very unique uniform and did so until the 1950’s when the last of the 1922 membership retired. So now unless you can define the photo the timeline will once again embrace the years between 1895 and (possibly) 1950 or as the Curator of the museum said the 90? year period in which the uniform was worn
The solution to this query will quite possibly as has been pointed out, lie in the identification of the fashion being worn by the onlookers and by the cars which make up the cortage.
 
I am looking forward to meeting all those of you who have contributed to the original query on this one. You have been fantastic.
 
Fán óg, a cairde.
 
John

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Whose funeral is this?
« on: Friday 09 September 11 19:51 BST (UK)  »
I came across this photo in the family album of what appears to be a very large funeral making its way up Marine Road Dun Laoghaire. None of my older siblings can identify it or even date it for that matter.
Can anyone help please?




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United States of America / Where in America?
« on: Tuesday 06 July 10 21:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi Folks, my first post so apologies before hand.
I started researching my family tree in 2007 when the 1911 census came on line. My task wasn’t made easy when I discovered my Grandmother had died in 1913 on the birth of her eight child and as a consequence we never got to know my father’s siblings in their life time. Luckily enough a simple name search threw up a lot of information and I was able to identify all seven and through electoral registers their home addresses throughout the ‘40’s and 50’s.

 
My problem now concerns two great uncles who it is said went to America, the first, John was born Jan. 10th 1867 in Lucan Co Dublin to James Comiskey and Mary Anne Merryman. He married Elizabeth Wilson in Monkstown Parish church on 6th June 1890. It  is said that John and Elizabeth travelled together and neither of them appear on the 1901 census.                                                     

The second Great uncle, Thomas, John’s younger brother, was born on the 14th February 1875 in Kingstown (Dun Laoghaire) He married Mary Keegan also in Monkstown Parish church on the 24th April 1898. Both of them and their three children appear on the 1901 census but Thomas is missing off the 1911 census.

 I can find no other information on the L D S Site other than their births, nor can I find any information on them in the Ellis Island Passenger Records.
Any advice on where to continue my search would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks.

Colúr   

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