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Hello

Gaston Caron, he featured in a small way in a previous posting, now I've decided to give him his own topic.

All I currently know at present is:

    He was Canadian, served in Wellesbourne, England during 1944. 
    He was originally a navigator on the Wellington MF509, but was replaced due to illness. 
    He survived the war as there is no mention of him on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website.
    He may have been from the the Montreal area as were some of the other crew memebers, but this has not been verified.


    Gaston is shown in the picture with the rest of the Wellington crew, his replacement was Jules Villeneuve.

    Any advice and tips on where to look is appreciated. 


    The original posting is on the link below:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,101535.0.html








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Armed Forces / CRAF or RAF, can you idenitfy the uniform??
« on: Sunday 20 November 05 21:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hello

RAF or CRAF?

If you have knowledge of Air Force uniforms and badges, please read on.

I've recently placed a posting on Rootschat regarding a photograph found in 1944.  It's become a lengthy posting and I'm trying to separate some of the findings and queries raised

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,101535.165.html

I have attached a scanned photograph of the buttons and badge.  We are trying to work out if the uniform is RCAF or RAF.  I cannot see Canada on the shoulder.  Is it possible that the man may have been in the Canadian Air Force but as he was serving in the UK he didn't necessarily have a Canadian badge?

All help, tips and comments are appreciated.

Regards
Caroline

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Hello all,

SUMMARY OF DATA FOUND SO FAR:

Iíve decided to use this board just for information found on the crew etc together with additional photographs.  If you have read the other board (it is now 9 pages long and growing!) this will summarise the information found to date.


My original posting is below so that any new people without the time to read all boards can get the gist of it together with the photographs found.  If you read the original you will see how much everyone in Roots has contributed and taken time out to place postings, ideas and information, all of which is greatly appreciated. 

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,101535.120.html


INFORMATION FOUND TO DATA.

Details of the crew
Name:   BURKE, JOSEPH PAUL ERNEST
Initials:   J P E
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Sergeant (W.Op./Air Gnr.)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   20
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   R/206904
Additional information:   Son of William and Dorine Burke, of West Bathurst, Gloucester Co., New Brunswick. Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A. Grave 315.
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY

Name:   GROULX, JOSEPH ARTHUR EDMOND
Initials:   J A E
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   22
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   R/111476
Additional information:   Son of Arthur and Alexandrine Groulx, of Hull, Province of Quebec, Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A Grave 401.
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEME

Name:   DU SABLON, JOSEPH LIONEL UNDERIC
Initials:   J L U
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   20
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   R/174038
Additional information:   Son of Lionel Olivier and Mary Lea Du Sablon, of De Gaspe, Montreal, Province of Quebec, Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A. Grave 229.
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY

Name:   ALLISON, WILLIAM JOSEPH
Initials:   W J
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Flight Lieutenant (Air Bomber)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   28
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   J/20861
Additional information:   Son of William Earle Allison and Mary Ruth Allison, of Montreal, Province of Quebec. Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A. Grave 143.
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY

Name:   VILLENEUVE, JULES ROBERT RENE
Initials:   J R R
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Sergeant (Nav.)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   22
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   R/199834
Additional information:   Son of Jean B. Villeneuve and Clara Villeneuve, of Verdun, Province of Quebec. Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A. Grave 57.
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY

Name:   HAMEL, CHARLES
Initials:   C
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Pilot Officer (Pilot)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   21
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   J/92169
Additional information:   Son of Dr. Paul Hamel, and of Bertha Ellen Hamel, of Montreal, Province of Quebec, Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A. Grave
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY
Flight History: Wales

FURTHER INFORMATION ON THE CRASH WAS FOUND ON ANOTHER SITE AS FOLLOWS:

Aircraft MF509 a Wellington MK10 took off from Stratford-Upon-Avon, satellite airfield to RAF Wellesbourne Mountford ( No22 Operational Training Unit) at 19.26 hours on Nov.20th 1944 for a night cross country navigation training exercise.. Shortly before 20.50 hrs the crew sent a radio message asking permission to go below cloud as they were having trouble with the starboard engine, perhaps due to icing in the carburetor. Permission was granted and as they descended over the mountains of the Brecon Beacons their aircraft flew into the South West slope of Carreg Goch. There is a small memorial at the crash site to honour the crew who died there.



UPDATE:

WE NOW HAVE  CONFIRMED INFORMATION ON THE MEN:
left to right, Hamel, Groulx, Burke, Allison, DuSablon, and Villeneuve

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Hello


I've attached a picture which was found near the wreckage of a Canadian WW2 Wellington plane which crashed in Wales 20/11/1944.  The crew were from the Canadian Air Force and none of the crew survived, their names are:

PILOT Sgt CHARLES HAMEL
NAVIGATOR Sgt JULES ROBERT RENE VILLENEUVE
BOMB AIMER F/Off WILLIAM JOSEPH ALLISON
W/Op/AIR GUNNER Sgt JOSEPH PAUL ERNEST BURKE
AIR GUNNER Sgt ARTHUR GROUIX
AIR GUNNER Sgt GERARD DUSABLON


There are some details on the following local web site but I'm not sure of the copywright laws so I've not posted the pictures from it.  One shows a memorial which was built by the locals with the names of the crew.

http://www.clwb-cerdded-ystalyfera.i12.com/pages/mf509.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20060624105454/http://clwb-cerdded-ystalyfera.i12.com/pages/mf509.htm

My grandfather was in his early 20's when the crash happened and lived a village called Ynyswen, near Abercrave,  which is near the site of the crash.  A few days after the crash he hiked up the mountains to take a look and  he found a picture near the wreckage of a young man. 

At the time he didn't know who it belonged to or even how to find out.  He thought it might have been a picture of one of the crew members or another family member of one of the crew.

The picture shows the young man in uniform but I have no idea what regiment etc he is from.  I was hoping that someone here could identify the man or the uniform.

I have tried to find information on the crew members but the only one which has a familiar name is Jules Villeneuve.  There is a large site showing all family members and details of his line and stating that he died in a plane crash in Wales so I know that I've found the right Villeneuve, but I've had no luck on the others.  I was hoping if someone in the Villeneuve family could confirm if it was a relative or not then I could eliminate one name.  I've  emailed the site to see if they have any connections or have any further details but haven't received replies.

If anyone can identify the uniform and the young man in the picture, I would be grateful if you could let me know.  My grandfather has heard of the internet and wondered if it was now time to find anyone out there with any information! 

If there are any family members out there who would like the picture returned I will be more than happy to do so and end a 60 year old mystery to find the identity of the man in the picture.

Sorry this is so long, I just didn't want to miss anything out.

Kind regards
Caroline


WHEN I ORIGINALLY POSTED THIS, I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THE AMAZING RESPONSE I HAVE HAD FROM ALL IN ROOTSCHAT AND BEYOND.  THE CREW HAVE NOW BEEN IDENTIFIED...IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ EVERYTHING..JUST SKIP TO POSTING 206, THEY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. BUT WE ARE STILL HOPING FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON THE MAN IN THE PHOTOGRAPH

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Hi

I would appreciate your help. William Blenkinsop was born in Dunfriesshre 1818 the son of Agnes Weild and James Blenkinsop (the name has also been mistranscribed as Blinkinship). I'm tring to piece together if he moved to Lancashire with his parents.†

I have James located in Lancashire where his children were born but I cannot find his parents.† I'm trying to work out if they moved from Scotland.

If anyone could look up James and Agnes (nee Weild) Blenkinsop on early census reports I would be grateful.† I've not found any siblings of James so have no idea if he was an only child.

Regards
Caroline




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Roxburghshire / JANE SCOTT, HAWICK, ROXBURGH
« on: Tuesday 16 August 05 17:55 BST (UK)  »
Hello

Has anyone come across Jane Scott, born around 1786, Hawick, Roxburgh.  She married William Hope and had a number of children, my direct line was the youngest, Wilhelmina Hope.  They are:

HOPE, Horatio Nelson Trafalgar
Birth : ABT 1 JAN 1807 Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland Gender: Male

HOPE, Harriot Ormond
Birth : ABT 25 DEC 1808 Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland Gender: Female


HOPE, Mary Ann
Birth : ABT 28 NOV 1810 Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland Gender: Female


HOPE, Henry Charles
Birth : ABT 30 DEC 1812 Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland
Gender: Male


HOPE, William Todd
Birth : ABT 20 OCT 1814 Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland
Gender: Male

HOPE, Samuel Todd
Birth : ABT 14 FEB 1817 Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland
Gender: Male

HOPE, Jane
Birth : ABT 12 OCT 1819 Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland Gender: Female

HOPE, Wilhelmina Amelia
Birth : ABT 30 NOV 1822 Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland
Gender: Female

Would appreciate any information on Jane, her parents, siblings and children.

Regards
Caroline

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Dumfriesshire / John Weild - has anyone come across him?
« on: Sunday 14 August 05 22:54 BST (UK)  »
Hello

I've found from the Scots online site my ggggg grandfather - John Weild.† A copy of the birth details for his daughter Agnes are posted below.

No   Date   † † † † †† † †Surnam† † † †Forename† † † † †Parent Names/Frame No.   Sex   
1   28/04/1795   † † WEILD   † † AGNES   † † † †† † † †JOHN WEILD/† † †† † † † † † † F      

Parish   GROS Data - DORNOCK   819/00 0001

I cannot find any other Weilds around that time, I've no dea if she was an only child.† There is no mention of the mother of Agnes.† The only other John Weild I have come across was from Annan and had shares in a ship in 1849 which was shipwrecked off the coast of Barbados not long after.† There is no record of him on the Dumfries 1851 census.†

Can anyone please advise where I should look next.


Thankyou
Caroline

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Hi

I've traced my ggg grandmother Elizabeth Hughes to Lancashire.† Her mother also called Elizabeth (don't know her maiden name , if anyone out there has a connection, could you please let me know).

Elizabeth married Robert Hughes, their children were Robert, Frank, Edith and Elizabeth.

I've found some census details as follows:

1861
Robert Hughes Head 52 Merchant something? Lower Chorlton, Lancs
Elizabeth Hughes Wife 45 Denton. Lancs
Robert Hughes Son 16 Manchester Lancs
Edith Hughed Dau 12 Manchester, Lancs
3 Servants
RG9/2874 Folio 18 Page 30
1861 cecsus

I don't know where Frank was on this census but he appears on the 71 one.† Robert senior must have died as Elizabeth is listed as a widow on the 71 cencus.

Frank is listed on a later report with his wife and children
 Frank HUGHES
 Head     M     Male     34     Manchester, Lancashire, England     Wollen Cloth Merchant (S & Ple)
 Emmeline HUGHES
 Wife     M     Female     34     Manchester, Lancashire, England    †
 Henry HUGHES
 Son    †     Male     2     Manchester, Lancashire, England    †
 Emily G. HUGHES
 Daur    †     Female     1     Timperley, Cheshire, England    †
 Mary J. MURDOCH
 Servt    †     Female     13     Manster, Lancashire, England     Nurse (Domestic)



If anyone could check the 1851 census reports to see where they are.† Also if you have details of Roberts parents and Elizabeths maiden name and would be grateful.† All search tips are welcome.† If anyone has come across the above in their tree, I'm more than happy to give the little information I have found so far.

Regards
Caroline




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Dumfriesshire / Agnes Weild - married 4th June 1814, Annan
« on: Tuesday 05 July 05 21:14 BST (UK)  »
Firstly, apologies if this has been posted on the wrong board.  New to Rootschat and would be grateful if anyone can point me in the right direction.

My gggg grandmother was Agnes Weild, she married James Blenkinsop 4th June 1814, Annan, Scotland.  His name has been mis-spelt as Blenkinship.  Someone was kind enought to find this out for me.

Does anyone have any of them listed on census information or details of their parents and other children?

Please could you point me in the right direction.

Regards
Caroline

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